Ortiz did not beat the count

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

He was in the act of rising at 10.

He was at 10 BEFORE he was fully stood up.

Most, if not all referees, would give the benefit of the doubt and look at the fighter, ask them to come to him, ask if they want to continue, wipe off their gloves, and let the fight ensue.

This ref did not of that... I disagree with it, but at the same time, he doesn't have to.

The fighter didn't even flinch or complain in the least about the stoppage, which tells me he didn't really want to continue anyway... which is really all that matters.

Ok I just rewatched the count, he was up split second before the 10 count. Now here is my issue with this stoppage, Benji Esteves should have at least asked him if he wanted to continue, not end it exactly at 10.

I know he spit his mouth piece out, and he didn't complain, but again, technically he beat the count and AT LEAST he should have asked him if he wanted to continue.

I'm not a fan of Benji Esteves, he's a very biased ref. I have seen him pull some really questionable stuff in Puerto Rico before. Fans pay money to see the fights, fighters train for 6-8 weeks, at least ask him if he wants to continue and not count him out exactly at 10.

My only beef.

http://www.gifyoutube.com/gif/YbOvd4

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Ok I just rewatched the count, he was up split second before the 10 count. Now here is my issue with this stoppage, Benji Esteves should have at least asked him if he wanted to continue, not end it exactly at 10.

I know he spit his mouth piece out, and he didn't complain, but again, technically he beat the count and AT LEAST he should have asked him if he wanted to continue.

I'm not a fan of Benji Esteves, he's a very biased ref. I have seen him pull some really questionable stuff in Puerto Rico before. Fans pay money to see the fights, fighters train for 6-8 weeks, at least ask him if he wants to continue and not count him out exactly at 10.

My only beef.

Dude....it's called a 10 count for a reason. It ends at exactly 10. It's not a 10 and then ask the guy if he's OK count.

[Wildin out]

i don't have a stake in any fighter here but it looked to me as though ortiz straight up quit. dude's face said all that needed to be said. i dont want to see a guy like ortiz on my tv again anyway, dude was crude as hell did you see him trying to bob and weave? lmao

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Dude....it's called a 10 count for a reason. It ends at exactly 10. It's not a 10 and then ask the guy if he's OK count.

I have worked many corners in many fights. Seen many KO's and long and short counts. The ref should at least asked if he was ok since he was up before the 10 count. I posted a gif of the moment he counted him out, I would have at least asked if he was ok or wanted to continue.

Also the mouth piece argument isn't much of an argument by some. Many boxers have spit out their mouth piece and not been disqualified. I thought Esteves at least should have asked him if he wanted to continue.

[techliam]

I got the impression that Esteves waved it off before he realised Ortiz was fully up, but regretted his decision when he realised he was OK to continue. Once the referee has waved his arms, it's all said and done though and he couldn't do anything about it.

I don't see the point in arguing over what is factually correct - up at 10 or up before 10. It's your interpretation of the rules, both are valid here. Ortiz shouldn't have left it so late, and the referee may have been a tiny bit too early himself, knowing Ortiz was rising before he counted it off

[ADP02]

The ref had that spilt second to decide and called it the way he did. It's too bad because we missed a few good rounds of boxing there because of that call ....

Ortiz looked like he was going to get up a bit sooner but thought he had the time to hold off a bit more and miscalculated by waiting that split second too long. Next time, I'm sure that Ortiz doesn't pull that again.

[John Barron]

He was not totally upright as the count was waived. He'd only just stood up properly as the wave had finished.

The ref gave him every chance to get to his feet and he either accidentally waited to long/his body wouldn't react or he thought he'd take it as close to 10 as possible and wanted a way out but to make it look like he wanted to still fight so he wouldn't look a quitter.

What do you expect the referee to do stop mid-way through waiving it off?

Don't blame the referee, blame the guy who waited until 9.5 seconds to start to rise.

i'm inclined to go with this. ortiz looks less of a loser because there's controversy and he can yap on about a rematch to keep his name relevant.