Comments Thread For: Chavez Jr: I Never Turned Down Fights, Just Extensions

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Am I wrong or was this practice supposed to have been outlawed by the Muhammad Ali Act?

The Muhammid Ali act has alot of things in it but Arum covered his ash by offering the GGG fight with no extension. Remember Arum is a lawyer by trade.

[HeroBando]

Am I wrong or was this practice supposed to have been outlawed by the Muhammad Ali Act?

You're probably wrong but itd help if you explained which practice youre talking about

[IronDanHamza]

Chavez just trying to milk all he can.

Still upset the Froch fight isn't happening.

[megadeth]

The Muhammid Ali act has alot of things in it but Arum covered his ash by offering the GGG fight with no extension. Remember Arum is a lawyer by trade.

You're probably wrong but itd help if you explained which practice youre talking about

Never mind, SOMEHOW, someone figured it out without the clarification.

(I thought it was obvious, since I was referring to the subject of the article.)

[HeroBando]

Never mind, SOMEHOW, someone figured it out without the clarification.

(I thought it was obvious, since I was referring to the subject of the article.)

Yeah as I suspected, you were wrong. Just giving you undeserved benefit of the doubt

[Citizen Koba]

You guys can be pretty thick sometimes. In the article Jr says that Arum has not made an offer with out an extension. Obviously other then the GGG offer. Which Jr will not accept because its the same purse he made for the second fight against vera with out PPV upside.

So yes in my OPINION by not offering Jr a legit fight with legit pay with out an extension, Arum is trying to sit Jr out till hes desperate or softens his stance which Arum hopes will lead to Jr excepting a contract extension, for me it is trying to force Jr to resign. If Arum was being fair he would have offered Jr a fair purse with out an extension to fight GGG, not the same purse he made to fight vera. The purse didn't have to be 7mil, but more then the Martinez and vera purse for sure with PPV and no extension would have been fair. 4-5 mill purse for a fight with GGG would have been more fair then 2 mil.

Well, first off, if you disagree with my opinion and my post, please don't refer to me as 'you guys' - I'm not some kind of collective intelligence, just, y'know - me.

As I've pointed out though, yes, naturally, Arum is hoping to retain Jr as one of his most profitable fighters. To do so he's gonna pull those moves that are within his power which basically involve financial pressure. Is it morally reprehensible? - course it is! You'll never find a post of mine in which I contradict that opinion.

Is it fair? Arum could tell you about the $mils he spent building Jr up, Jr will tell you about his freedom to seek out his biggest paydays and the rounds he spent in the ring (and perhaps how any promoter woulda made him a star outta his fathers name if he was being honest).

And the suggested GGG purse was $2 mil + PPV options estimated around $1.5 mil which would in total have exceeded his Maravilla payday, despite Jr having declined in status following his loss and the Vera debacle. Still bigger than the biggest purse he'd received to date.

As you say - it's a matter of opinion. Jr was being offered a legitimate payday (ie one demonstrably in line with his previous purses) to fight GGG without extension IMO, but being offered an ridiculously large one to encourage him to stay.

In short Arum's saying -work out your contact at your current rate of pay or take a big payrise and stay on. It doesn't sound all that controversial to me. Promoters invest money in their fighters early and recoup it when they become bigger... that's just the way it works.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

And he would. But why do you think he should? At the time he held a belt. Since then he got embarrassed by Sergio, robbed undersized fringe contender Vera, then decisioned him to underwhelming attendance. Sergio was p4p top 5 everywhere...

Chavez' 2nd fight against Vera averaged 1.39 mil viewers and peaked at 1.53 mil. A little over 7k live gate is respectable. one of the highest rated fights on network TV that year. I wouldnt say he was embarrassed after it was revealed he didnt train very much for the fight and almost knocked out Martinez at the end. I mean he obviously got destroyed, but embarrassed I dont think so. He should get paid more because he is proven to be a draw, and generally when you step up in competition you get paid more. GGG is not Veras equivalent, and he is much more dangerous then Martinez, is seen as a bigger star. Lets also stop acting like Arum didnt make money off of Jr, because we all know he damn well did.

[HeroBando]

Chavez' 2nd fight against Vera averaged 1.39 mil viewers and peaked at 1.53 mil. A little over 7k live gate is respectable. one of the highest rated fights on network TV that year. I wouldnt say he was embarrassed after it was revealed he didnt train very much for the fight and almost knocked out Martinez at the end. I mean he obviously got destroyed, but embarrassed I dont think so. He should get paid more because he is proven to be a draw, and generally when you step up in competition you get paid more. GGG is not Veras equivalent, and he is much more dangerous then Martinez, is seen as a bigger star. Lets also stop acting like Arum didnt make money off of Jr, because we all know he damn well did.

And he made Chavez into a legit draw, despite Julio showing little talent and being regarded as a joke for most of his career.

But you were just saying Sergio is a similar level of threat, now GGG much more dangerous. Much bigger star, dunno about that. GGG's purses including career high 750k are a lot lower, nor is he universally p4p top 5.

I'm not saying 2m + 1.5m upside is a great deal, but not unfair. The 2 fight extension is a great deal though, he's not making that anywhere else. Though there's appeal in not getting destroyed by GGG

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Well, first off, if you disagree with my opinion and my post, please don't refer to me as 'you guys' - I'm not some kind of collective intelligence, just, y'know - me.

As I've pointed out though, yes, naturally, Arum is hoping to retain Jr as one of his most profitable fighters. To do so he's gonna pull those moves that are within his power which basically involve financial pressure. Is it morally reprehensible? - course it is! You'll never find a post of mine in which I contradict that opinion.

Is it fair? Arum could tell you about the $mils he spent building Jr up, Jr will tell you about his freedom to seek out his biggest paydays and the rounds he spent in the ring (and perhaps how any promoter woulda made him a star outta his fathers name if he was being honest).

And the suggested GGG purse was $2 mil + PPV options estimated around $1.5 mil which would in total have exceeded his Maravilla payday, despite Jr having declined in status following his loss and the Vera debacle. Still bigger than the biggest purse he'd received to date.

As you say - it's a matter of opinion. Jr was being offered a legitimate payday (ie one demonstrably in line with his previous purses) to fight GGG without extension IMO, but being offered an ridiculously large one to encourage him to stay.

You guys....... Calm down bro obviously the you guys is an address to more people and the following post was in response to yours be real.

Any way lets get away from opinion and talk facts. Chavez purse for the Martinez fight was 3mil, PPV was an upside added to the 3 mil. so n, 2 mil plus PPV does not equal Chavez' highest pay day unless Chavez GGG sales significantly more then 475k. GGG is viewed as more dangerous, more popular, a step up, and a bigger draw then Martinez, having already debuted head lining at the big room in msg, while Martinez had to wait for a fight against the 3rd biggest star in the sport to reach the same feat. As such it stands to reason the Chavez deserves more to fight GGG then Martinez. Chavez is also considered a bigger draw based on the views he brought to HBO in his last fight.

So opinion, the offer is not legit, it was a purposeful low ball offer that Chavez was expected to turn down that way if the matter goes to court Arum can say he offered the fight with out a contract extension. It is the reason why Arum hasn't offered another fight with out a contract extension against a lesser opponent because he knows Chavez will accept there by fulfilling terms.

If your stance is "]legitimate[/I] payday (ie one demonstrably in line with his previous purses) to fight GGG " I would have to dis agree, due to the fact that Chavez' fight Purses have lowered and risen based on opponent, so as I showed above the offer is not in line because Chavez would in fact earn less then he did to fight Martinez, while Martinez is viewed as a lesser opponent then GGG.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

And he made Chavez into a legit draw, despite Julio showing little talent and being regarded as a joke for most of his career.

But you were just saying Sergio is a similar level of threat, now GGG much more dangerous. Much bigger star, dunno about that. GGG's purses including career high 750k are a lot lower, nor is he universally p4p top 5.

I'm not saying 2m + 1.5m upside is a great deal, but not unfair. The 2 fight extension is a great deal though, he's not making that anywhere else. Though there's appeal in not getting destroyed by GGG

I never said Martinez was a bigger or similar threat the GGG, and Purse doesnt mean Martinez was more popular, his two highest pay days were against Chavez and Cotto and the rest of his fight are more then likely comparable to what GGG is making right now. Sorry my friend Chavez was a draw way before Martinez. And everybody knows that. Like i put in another post GGG has already headlined the big room in MSG how long did it take for Martinez to do the same?