Comments Thread For: Team Martinez Has No Excuses, Just Credit For Cotto Loss

[Fr@nkyboi]

Respect to Martinez he's a class act and a great champion as well. I posted my prediction a week or so on this site and it was a TKO stoppage in the 10th round Cotto would stop Martinez. I am surprised I hit the round right on the money but as far as the stoppage I was confident it was going to happen. The old Miguel Cotto would beat you until you could not continue and you had to throw in the towel. After his dad passed and the separation of his Uncle Cotto was not himself in the ring. Thanks to Freddie Roach a master of the sport he has put Cotto back on track. He's a monster and wether you have great knees or not you step in the ring with Cotto you're in for a long night. Martinez has not fully recovered from his injuries but the fact that he was hurt by Cotto's punching power is undeniable. The fact that he landed more than half his punches on Sergio and Delvin alongside Roach can not be ignored. In my honest opinion Cotto should fight another 3 big fights Canelo (if he gets passed lara), Mayweather and a farewell in MSG against a top contender. Those are 3 fights he can win than i believe he should retire from the sport of boxing. I follow boxing and Miguel is one of my favorite fighters of all time. His resume is better than any other active fighter in the sport today.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Sergio made Chavez look slow, wide, sloppy because his knees were not an issue that night. And there were many times Chavez made Sergio fight on the inside and Sergio was holding his own. The Sergio from the Chavez fight would dismantle Cotto. I dont care how much you try and twist it, Cotto doesnt punch harder then Chavez. Any realistic boxing fan knows that.

LOL ok this is a lost cause. I have given you facts of how these things can be possible and your not even admitting of the possibility, which means you are discussing with feeling. You have your opinion and i have mine. Lets leave it at that. thanks for the convo.

[Lords]

Naw man, the guy goes from throwing massive combinations to like one 4 punch combination the entire fight. Goes from rifling off jabs, averaging near 100 punches a round to like 20 a round. Cotto looked great but Sergio was recovered from that punch in the first, otherwise he wouldn't have come out for the second round or gotten stopped in the second.

He last 8 more rounds so, I don't totally buy that a single punch in the first caused him to not be able to get his shots off or move around properly. If he was so damaged from that single punch, how did he take the 6th round or whatever round that was? He seemed to have his wits about him in that round.

It's called not being able to do what you used to do a few years ago. You know, when your knees weren't all jacked up. He was falling into the ropes from punches that didn't even land, man. No one is trying to steal Cotto's gusto here, there was some obvious issues with Sergio that people are trying to ignore/hide.

From Sergio's team's side, I just think they want to keep the door open for future fights. I have never had any surgeries at all on my knees but they will occasionally swell and become tender to the point where I have to stop jogging or whatever I'm doing and chill out for the day. I know what it looks like when a knee gets weak and gives out a little and I saw that a couple times last night.

Sergio felt that left hook power and it totally threw him off and changed his game plan. After the first round, Martinez' legs looked fine as he was being Sergio and trying to box from the out side but Cotto kept cutting the ring and throwing and landing left hooks with straight rights. This would have happened 2 or 3 years ago as well.

[Lords]

Lol. Cottards think Martinez was a Prime, 100% version. Get real

Yea and Cotto is in the prime years of his career too.

[jaded]

He basically was brutally KO'd in the 1st round but too proud and determined to stop and the referee let it go because it was too important a fight and he showed willingness and great heart. He took a liver shot that most would not have fought on afterwards and then took another one shortly after which must have been devastating. He tried to to survive the round and paid dearly for it. After that he was severally beaten...severally weakened and spiritually broken and could only hope to survive at best. He just wasn't there after the beating he took and I don't think it's so hard to understand why. It wasn't his knees...it was because he had the living crap beaten out of him right from the get go and didn't have a prayer in world of doing anything remotely close to winning because of...which is why most would simply have caved after the 3rd knock down. To his credit he tried but it was futile. Cotto really could have ended it in the 2nd but he had such a huge lead at that point he choose to just wait and ware him down. It was sad really but that's boxing and it can happen. He should just retire now.

[jcj0427]

LOL ok this is a lost cause. I have given you facts of how these things can be possible and your not even admitting of the possibility, which means you are discussing with feeling. You have your opinion and i have mine. Lets leave it at that. thanks for the convo.

Just like your not admitting the possibility of sergios fighting with bum knees, it goes hand in hand i guess lol. Your putting way to much emphasis on specifics on how Cotto managed to destroy the middleweight champion of the world who was going up in weight and completely disregarding the most obvious standout detail from the fight, Sergio had no legs under him. This was not a pickem fight and Sergio was a big favorite for a reason. And for him to get pummeled like that and not even consider his knees intk thr fightwhich had gone through 2 surgeries to recover?? Cotto looked very good but im not gonna be sold until he fights ggg or canelo.No feelings here, just discussing obvious points from the fight and i saw a fighter with washed up knees. Thanks for the convo.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Just like your not admitting the possibility of sergios fighting with bum knees, it goes hand in hand i guess lol. Your putting way to much emphasis on specifics on how Cotto managed to destroy the middleweight champion of the world who was going up in weight and completely disregarding the most obvious standout detail from the fight, Sergio had no legs under him. This was not a pickem fight and Sergio was a big favorite for a reason. And for him to get pummeled like that and not even consider his knees intk thr fightwhich had gone through 2 surgeries to recover?? Cotto looked very good but im not gonna be sold until he fights ggg or canelo.No feelings here, just discussing obvious points from the fight and i saw a fighter with washed up knees. Thanks for the convo.

Im not considering his knees because Doctors already confirmed that the knees were fine, the fighter said they were fine. Martinez had a concussion and never recovered from the first punch, his own admission. His trainer who first eluded to the knees being a problem has since changed his tune, even Martinez' manager and promoter agree with Martinez' own assessment. There is no conspiracy. Just people like you who saw what you think you saw and regardless of evidence to the contrary you will not change your mind, not even concede to the possibility. That is why this is a lost cause. Im not trying to change your mind, i just dont see how facts are not treated as such and "feeling" is some how the trump.

Very simple, you "feel" Martinez legs were shot- not a fact.
DR's say Knees and hands good, no problems- Fact
Sergio Martinez say's Knee and hands were not an issue- Fact
Martinez' entire corner agrees, Martinez' knees hands good- Fact

I am on the side of Fact.

If the MRI's and CT's and the fighter revealed there was an issue I'd be in agreement that the Legs contributed to the lost. But that is not a fact.

[DAN916]

A great champion can show class in victory or defeat.

Too bad some of his fans can't!

[B-Bomber]

Very simple, you "feel" Martinez legs were shot- not a fact.
DR's say Knees and hands good, no problems- Fact
Sergio Martinez say's Knee and hands were not an issue- Fact
Martinez' entire corner agrees, Martinez' knees hands good- Fact

I am on the side of Fact.

LOL

The fact that you have no injuries doesn't mean that your legs are ok. Martinez spent 7 months on crutches.

A clear medical bill only means that your injuries have healed, not that you are fit, or that you won't feel pain.

I had a minor knee injury (meniscus) and although i was allowed to train after a few months it took me quite a long time to rebuild strength, and the pain went on for years. My medical bill was free, but i felt pain everytime it rained, had to put ice on my knee after training.
And I was an 18 years old , not 39.

As for Martinez's corner , the woman in his corner was his phisiotherapist not his cutman, they were putting so much ice on his legs that Cotto complained for a slippery mat.

The only fact is you being obstinate and biased.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

LOL

The fact that you have no injuries doesn't mean that your legs are ok. Martinez spent 7 months on crutches.

A clear medical bill only means that your injuries have healed, not that you are fit, or that you won't feel pain.

I had a minor knee injury (meniscus) and although i was allowed to train after a few months it took me quite a long time to rebuild strength, and the pain went on for years. My medical bill was free, but i felt pain everytime it rained, had to put ice on my knee after training.
And I was an 18 years old , not 39.

As for Martinez's corner , the woman in his corner was his phisiotherapist not his cutman, they were putting so much ice on his legs that Cotto complained for a slippery mat.

The only fact is you being obstinate and biased.

Martinez has never shied away from pointing out when he was injured, So please refrain from putting a twist and introducing what is not a FACT as a FACT. I injured my knee and my leg and continued to play semi pro football, and to this day i can still play basket ball for hours before my legs get sore. every ones injury is different, and how they come back from them are just the same. Martinez has always admitted injury and you expect me to believe that hes lying now? Please. Facts are facts and feelings are for people who hate, are biased or in disbelief, and there's alot of that going on. I never discuss what If's. my answers have been laid in fact. Every one who says Martinez' legs were shot are just expressing a "feeling" of what they think they saw.