Comments Thread For: Team Martinez Has No Excuses, Just Credit For Cotto Loss

[elgu]

I give Cotto credit because of what Martinez did to Chavez Jr, and Fought well enough to get the nod against Murray (though i think that fight was a draw at best). Cotto should fight GGG, Cotto has been sparring with Middle weights and heavy weights. On you tube GGG was supposed to spar with Cotto at Big Bear while Cotto was training for the Trout fight, GGG's trainer turned the sparring down because he felt Cotto was peaking and GGG had only begun his training camp, so them sparring would not have benefited either. Translation, Cotto would probably look good and lower GGG's stock if rumors of a bad sparring session got out. If GGG's corner respects Cotto that much I like the fight. Cotto is Lineal, so yes should be considered top dog, but he should fight GGG.

Dude come on. That wasn't the Sergio that fought Chavez, you can make an argument that he was more or less the same that he was against Murray but not Chavez. Against Chavez, Sergio fought well, he put weight on his punches and fought in the inside against a guy as tough as Chavez. I will agree with you on one thing though, he should fight GGG. GGG was denied his chance at being lineal by Martinez, and Cotto shouldn't do the same.

[jcj0427]

I wish martinez's fans were as classy has him.. they gave cotto no chance and shot down every fan going for cotto, then he gets whooped now all of them have excuses!!! Lmao

not just martinez fans but pretty much all boxing analysts and vegas had him favored by alot. only cotto fans had cotto winning.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Well I guess we both have a warped perception on what reality is. Or maybe its just homerism. Do you think Sergio was 100% healthy going into the fight?

Well it depends on your definition of health. I thought Martinez' knees and movement looked good enough if he were to be fighting someone who just plotted around the ring like he has been doing. I tell you Pac or Mayweather would have also had a field day with Martinez, not because they're perceived as being better then Cotto but because of they're movement. Any fighter who stands right infront of Martinez and just walks straight in will still get his a.s.s. kicked by Martinez. But yes I think Martinez was healthy enough to win.

[Boxing Fan123]

I'd like to see Martinez once more to see if his seemingly lack of mobility was caused by the surgically repaired knee - as it is a fact that once a ligament, tendon, etc. is damaged, it is never 100%, especially at older ages - or simply due to the knockdowns, especially considering Martinez was said to be possibly concussed.
Regardless, much respect for Martinez.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Dude come on. That wasn't the Sergio that fought Chavez, you can make an argument that he was more or less the same that he was against Murray but not Chavez. Against Chavez, Sergio fought well, he put weight on his punches and fought in the inside against a guy as tough as Chavez. I will agree with you on one thing though, he should fight GGG. GGG was denied his chance at being lineal by Martinez, and Cotto shouldn't do the same.

You have to watch these fights over and not only watch Martinez but also watch the difference in opponents. Chavez stood right infront of Martinez, chased Martinez around the ring and pretty much held his punches till the 11th round. Chavez' positioning was horrible, his offense was non existent, and defense a laughing matter. Martinez had never faced an opponent quite like Cotto, movement and positioning was to much. plus like i said Martinez' lack of sparring during training camp did more damage then a knee injury would ever have done. weve seen Martinez fight through the knee problems and broken hands, if was really hurt how come he couldnt do it this time? The opponent. ( I dont think it was he's knee)

[jcj0427]

Well it depends on your definition of health. I thought Martinez' knees and movement looked good enough if he were to be fighting someone who just plotted around the ring like he has been doing. I tell you Pac or Mayweather would have also had a field day with Martinez, not because they're perceived as being better then Cotto but because of they're movement. Any fighter who stands right infront of Martinez and just walks straight in will still get his a.s.s. kicked by Martinez. But yes I think Martinez was healthy enough to win.

Lol, that just boggles my mind that you think he was healthy enough. Pacquiao would of been arrested for murder against that Martinez so theres no point mentioning their names. In all honesty, talking about style as much as you want in there, his lead shoulder this, his stance that, being in certain positions to throw flush shots are all reasonable arguments when discussing why one fighter should win. Styles make fights yes. But when one fighter is not able to deliver punches with gust and cannot eat punches then the fight is practically pointless. Sergio was getting hit by a monster cruiserweight in Chavez and still held up to fight back. Cotto hits him in the first round with what I believe is a check left hook but im not sure, and he comes stumbling outta the gate? Sergios was crippled bottom line.

[elgu]

You have to watch these fights over and not only watch Martinez but also watch the difference in opponents. Chavez stood right infront of Martinez, chased Martinez around the ring and pretty much held his punches till the 11th round. Chavez' positioning was horrible, his offense was non existent, and defense a laughing matter. Martinez had never faced an opponent quite like Cotto, movement and positioning was to much. plus like i said Martinez' lack of sparring during training camp did more damage then a knee injury would ever have done. weve seen Martinez fight through the knee problems and broken hands, if was really hurt how come he couldnt do it this time? The opponent. ( I dont think it was he's knee)

I have to see Martinez in his next fight to determine what happened. The fact that Martinez was hurt so early in the fight didn't give much room to see if Martinez shaky legs were due to the knockdowns or the knee injury. It is my su****ion that it was the leg injuries but i can't be sure.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Lol, that just boggles my mind that you think he was healthy enough. Pacquiao would of been arrested for murder against that Martinez so theres no point mentioning their names. In all honesty, talking about style as much as you want in there, his lead shoulder this, his stance that, being in certain positions to throw flush shots are all reasonable arguments when discussing why one fighter should win. Styles make fights yes. But when one fighter is not able to deliver punches with gust and cannot eat punches then the fight is practically pointless. Sergio was getting hit by a monster cruiserweight in Chavez and still held up to fight back. Cotto hits him in the first round with what I believe is a check left hook but im not sure, and he comes stumbling outta the gate? Sergios was crippled bottom line.

Well Chavez only really landed once and when he did Martinez looked the same way he looked last night. Margaritto Knocked out Martinez, Cotto punches better then Margaritto. And once again if you know about fighting you would know that the size of the person does not mean that person is a stronger puncher. Martinez looked fine until he got punched on the temple, then behind the head and later behind the ear. Remember how Amir Khan looked strong against Garcia until he got caught behind the ear, Amir khan got back up but he never looked the same again. When you are concussed and you equilibrium is affected you will not be the same.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I have to see Martinez in his next fight to determine what happened. The fact that Martinez was hurt so early in the fight didn't give much room to see if Martinez shaky legs were due to the knockdowns or the knee injury. It is my su****ion that it was the leg injuries but i can't be sure.

I can respect that. Having a knee injury myself and being able to continue playing semi pro football, I am going with what the fighter and the doctors say. i happen to have all these fights on dvr so i have benn playing them and comparing.

[gyllespie]

People want to call it an excuse when I say Sergio is old. But isn't that just the truth? I mean Sergio was never going to be the kind of boxer like Bhop or JMM. He was more along the lines of Roy Jones (obviously not as athletically gifted) in a sense that once father time catches up to him his career was going to be over and it would not end well. Good win for Cotto. But let's not get carried away. Not too long ago he lost to Trout who is nothing special. The real test comes in Cotto's next fight and I'm looking forward to it. Either I will be convinced Cotto has suddenly become elite with the help of Roach OR my gut feelings are right in that Cotto's recent success had a lot to do with unique circumstances.