Should Froch be no. 1 if he beats Groves?

[BattlingNelson]

So it's 51.3% for yes and 48.7 for no.

As even as can be.

[D-MiZe]

So Ward remains no. 1 even if he just fights a bum a year?

Ah, so this is the reasoning...

First off, the reason why Ward's opposition hasn't been great as of late is because he's already beaten the best the SMW division has to offer. Not only beaten but outclassed.

Please, tell me who Ward can fight that isn't considered a bum and has been a SMW/relevant for a couple years.

Using this logic, Bermane Stiverne is the best heavyweight in the 2014. Wlad Klitschko fought a 'bum'.

[D-MiZe]

So I'm re-doing ma P4P list, got SRR at the top but he hasn't had a notable win since 1958. Holyfield had one in '96, they're both greats but I'll have to replace SRR for Holyfield 'cause 'time' is a criteria for ranking greatness.

[FightingWords]

Oh wait, I got confused. I remember just how Ric Flair used to say it now...



"To be the man....wooooo.....you've gotta lose comprehensively to the man.....wooo......then you've gotta hope the man has legal issues with his promoter and becomes inactive.....wooo.....then you beat a couple of fringe contenders....woooo....and then you're the man....WOOO!"

[jas]

Ah, so this is the reasoning...

First off, the reason why Ward's opposition hasn't been great as of late is because he's already beaten the best the SMW division has to offer. Not only beaten but outclassed.

Please, tell me who Ward can fight that isn't considered a bum and has been a SMW/relevant for a couple years.

Using this logic, Bermane Stiverne is the best heavyweight in the 2014. Wlad Klitschko fought a 'bum'.

So I'm re-doing ma P4P list, got SRR at the top but he hasn't had a notable win since 1958. Holyfield had one in '96, they're both greats but I'll have to replace SRR for Holyfield 'cause 'time' is a criteria for ranking greatness.

Had to green k this

[LacedUp]

Ah, so this is the reasoning...

First off, the reason why Ward's opposition hasn't been great as of late is because he's already beaten the best the SMW division has to offer. Not only beaten but outclassed.

Please, tell me who Ward can fight that isn't considered a bum and has been a SMW/relevant for a couple years.

Using this logic, Bermane Stiverne is the best heavyweight in the 2014. Wlad Klitschko fought a 'bum'.

There's plenty of fighters he could have fought that was plenty better than what he did, so don't even go there.

Since everyone else, including Dirk, is avoiding this question, how long can Ward stay inactive fighting unimpressive opponents before you disregard him as the 'champ'?

[slimshandy69]

There's plenty of fighters he could have fought that was plenty better than what he did, so don't even go there.

Since everyone else, including Dirk, is avoiding this question, how long can Ward stay inactive fighting unimpressive opponents before you disregard him as the 'champ'?

non Super middleweights lets have it clear. Both Dawson and his last fight struggled to make the weight for the same reason.

Whens his next fight???whos he got next???Will he leave His 2k Crowd mainly his family and friends to earn some money??

Carl froch had to travel over as world champ to Jermaine taylor backyard and get a pay cut and koed him.

What is ward doing to earn his medels??Pissing around with his rotator cuff and legal issues.

The mans a joke at the moment. he living off that 2 round victory against carl froch in his home turf...

[HughJass]

Carl Froch is arrogant and will be asking for some ketchup whilst he's eating the canvas come Saturday night.

[D-MiZe]

There's plenty of fighters he could have fought that was plenty better than what he did, so don't even go there.

Since everyone else, including Dirk, is avoiding this question, how long can Ward stay inactive fighting unimpressive opponents before you disregard him as the 'champ'?

'Unimpressive' is a matter of opinion, let's deal with facts... At one point, the 168lb landscape had Bute/Kessler/Froch/Ward at the top. You have other champions like Abraham/Bika etc. The only significant fighter at 168lb that Ward hasn't fought and beaten is Bute. Who ran North after a hiding from Froch.

Don't spew shit like there are 'plenty of fighters he could've fought...', let's hear some names then. You're going to struggle, really struggle. You might even reach and start ****ing on about Ward fighting people he's already outclassed, multiple times.

Ward is similar to W.Klitschko in the sense that he sits atop his throne uncontested. He doesn't lose his seat because the inferior fighters are beating other inferior fighters in fights that are deemed 'classics' or 'highly enthralling'.

Ward will remain #1 until he's beaten or retires. Weight-drained Dawson doesn't mean nothing, it was a money move. Rodriguez is a good fighter, if you can name 10 people better that Ward hasn't fought - go ahead.

[LacedUp]

'Unimpressive' is a matter of opinion, let's deal with facts... At one point, the 168lb landscape had Bute/Kessler/Froch/Ward at the top. You have other champions like Abraham/Bika etc. The only significant fighter at 168lb that Ward hasn't fought and beaten is Bute. Who ran North after a hiding from Froch.

Don't spew shit like there are 'plenty of fighters he could've fought...', let's hear some names then. You're going to struggle, really struggle. You might even reach and start ****ing on about Ward fighting people he's already outclassed, multiple times.

Ward is similar to W.Klitschko in the sense that he sits atop his throne uncontested. He doesn't lose his seat because the inferior fighters are beating other inferior fighters in fights that are deemed 'classics' or 'highly enthralling'.

Ward will remain #1 until he's beaten or retires. Weight-drained Dawson doesn't mean nothing, it was a money move. Rodriguez is a good fighter, if you can name 10 people better that Ward hasn't fought - go ahead.

So what about fighting the people he's already beaten? He could have fought Froch again, God knows he's earned a rematch - he could have gone for Stieglitz, Oosthuizen, one of the dirrell brothers, hell even James DeGale would be a better option, Kessler etc.

If you think Rodriquez was the best option for Ward, then I feel sorry for you.

That comparison just stinks to high heaven - Wlad fights three times a year and although I don't particularly like him, he fights his mandatories and has JUST fought the #1 contender and is looking to fight the new #1 contender or the only other champions in the division.

Ward doesn't even fight! His team/promoter rejected a Kessler fight in Denmark as well.

So he gets fantasy points for a "money move"? There are at least ten people in the division that are better than Rodriguez, but obviously not all of them 1) made sense or 2) were available.

I honestly can't see that a guy who fights every 18 months against sub par opposition can keep the 'champ' status when there's someone else who's beating the actual contenders.