Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[Boxing Goat]

My point is Dawson was at a weight he hadn't been in years and was clearly dead at the weight.

He wasn't dead at the weight. He performed, he just couldn't take Ward's style and couldn't take a shot. That should take a little luster away from the win, but not negate the fact that it happned at all. That's not fair.

[Rome-By-Ko]

He had no choice if he wanted the Ward fight, which he did. Plus he thought he could make the weight which clearly he was wrong about. And even then he wasn't too confident because he wanted a catchweight.

Good money to fight Stevenson? Ay? What, a tune up? Why would he fight a tune up over a big fight with Ward? He wanted Ward, Ward was the biggest fight out there for him both legacy wise and money wise.

It was reported that Stevenson made 900,000 to fight Dawson..How much did Dawson make??

Again you can't have it both ways,if your gonna take away from Ward..You'll have to take away from everyone who's done this in the past..Meaning Floyd Pac Jones etc etc..It's a slippery slope..I don't believe in excuses,you put ya name on the dotted line..You've agreed to the terms,and let the best man win..Dawson did not look different to me..He always had trouble with athletic kinda fighters,look at his history..That's what this looked like to me,yet another athletic fighter beating him to the punch and beating him..

[Rome-By-Ko]

False.

His last two fights before Pacquaio were at 140 lbs.



False.

He was 146 against Clottey in his fight prior.



Ok, and?

Canelo moved down 1 lb in weight from his last fight.

He'd been as low as 150 lbs less than 2 years prior.



Stop what? Your examples are poor.

Ricky Hatton moved down 0 lbs to a weight he'd fought at a few months prior.

Cotto moved down 1 lb in weight.

Canelo moved down 1 lb in weight to a weight he'd been at a year prior.

Dawson moved down 7 lbs to a weight he hadn't been at about 7 years prior.

They're nothing alike and the only fighter out of all of those that was clearly drained in the fight is Chad Dawson.

Your missing the point,Mayweather fighting Marquez when he never fought at WW a day in his life..You now open the door for detractors to come in and try and discredit this..The same with Tarver over Jones the same with Mayweather and Alvarez,weather 1lb or not,Alvarez was not at his best weight..Which once again opens this same discussion we're having which imo is a ****** one..If Dawson or anyone put's their name down they must feel confident they can win..It's not until azzez are beat that I hear some up roar..It's lame to say the least..

[IronDanHamza]

Your missing the point,Mayweather fighting Marquez when he never fought at WW a day in his life..You now open the door for detractors to come in and try and discredit this..The same with Tarver over Jones the same with Mayweather and Alvarez,weather 1lb or not,Alvarez was not at his best weight..Which once again opens this same discussion we're having which imo is a ****** one..If Dawson or anyone put's their name down they must feel confident they can win..It's not until azz are beat that I hear some up roar..It's lame to say the least..

I'm not missing the point though because the point you're trying to make is using comparison's to those fights listed but they're completely different scenario's.

The Mayweather-Marquez fight was highly critisized and rightfully so.

I never said Canelo was at his best weight. But he certainly wasn't drained like Dawson. Canelo dropped 1 lb, Dawson dropped 7 to weight he hadn't been at in years. Pretty big difference.

Yeah Dawson was probably confident he could win, he was likely confident he could make the weight comfortably. He was wrong on both accounts.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ward would abuse Floyd.

Of course, he would be expected to, he outweighes him by close to 20 lbs.

Im talking about hypothetical h2h same size,, obviously ward would beat the hell out of any smaller guy

[IronDanHamza]

It was reported that Stevenson made 900,000 to fight Dawson..How much did Dawson make??

Reported by whom?

Again you can't have it both ways,if your gonna take away from Ward..You'll have to take away from everyone who's done this in the past..Meaning Floyd Pac Jones etc etc..It's a slippery slope..I don't believe in excuses,you put ya name on the dotted line..You've agreed to the terms,and let the best man win..Dawson did not look different to me..He always had trouble with athletic kinda fighters,look at his history..That's what this looked like to me,yet another athletic fighter beating him to the punch and beating him..

Everyone who's done what in the past?

Moved down a whole weight class that they haven't been at in several years? I think you'll find there's few examples of that happening with the fighter making the weight comfortably.

I don't recall Floyd or Jones having that scenario.

Pacquaio does with Oscar and that's a fight he doesn't get credit for because Oscar was clearly dead at the weight.

Oh right, Dawson looked no different. He only got dropped by grazing punches against a guy who can't punch very hard.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I'm not missing the point though because the point you're trying to make is using comparison's to those fights listed but they're completely different scenario's.

The Mayweather-Marquez fight was highly critisized and rightfully so.

I never said Canelo was at his best weight. But he certainly wasn't drained like Dawson. Canelo dropped 1 lb, Dawson dropped 7 to weight he hadn't been at in years. Pretty big difference.

Yeah Dawson was probably confident he could win, he was likely confident he could make the weight comfortably. He was wrong on both accounts.

The point is if your going to detract from one,detract from all..Or just leave it alone..Cause again your not being fair...That's the point..Waeather by 1lb or 7 or 8lbs..If a fighter is not at his best he's not at his best,I'm not holding something that every fighter does against one fighter..Point is,weather Dawson was wrong or not,he signed his name..He's a pro,he took a azz kicking..End of story really..

[HeroBando]

Reported by whom?


Everyone who's done what in the past?

Moved down a whole weight class that they haven't been at in several years? I think you'll find there's few examples of that happening with the fighter making the weight comfortably.

I don't recall Floyd or Jones having that scenario.

Pacquaio does with Oscar and that's a fight he doesn't get credit for because Oscar was clearly dead at the weight.

Oh right, Dawson looked no different. He only got dropped by grazing punches against a guy who can't punch very hard.

900k sounds implausible. Stevenson was a nobody before Dawson

It's pretty similar to Pac DLH however

1. Pac was the underdog, Ward 4/1 favorite
2. DLH's previous fight was at 150, and he'd done a lot at welter and lower. Dawson's never done anything below 175.
3. Pac had a single fight above 130, having won his 1st belt at fly. Came up 2 weight classes for DLH. Ward did not have to budge from his one preferred division for Dawson.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Reported by whom?





Everyone who's done what in the past?

Moved down a whole weight class that they haven't been at in several years? I think you'll find there's few examples of that happening with the fighter making the weight comfortably.

I don't recall Floyd or Jones having that scenario.

Pacquaio does with Oscar and that's a fight he doesn't get credit for because Oscar was clearly dead at the weight.

Oh right, Dawson looked no different. He only got dropped by grazing punches against a guy who can't punch very hard.

http://gotconnex.tv/archives/4142

On this site they say Stevenson made 900,000 which is not hard to believe being they held it in his hometown..

Ward can punch as well,hurt Kessler and Froch,and Dawson Chin has alway been in questioned..

Jones moved down to fight Tarver,and Mayweather made Alvarez move down to fight at a catch weight..If your saying something about this,then say it about any move to deal with fighters who are not fighting at their best weight..This is really the point,your view is your view..Just be consistent with it..

[IronDanHamza]

The point is if your going to detract from one,detract from all..Or just leave it alone..

I do detract from all the cases in which a fighter is drained.

Cause again your not being fair...That's the point..Waeather by 1lb or 7 or 8lbs..If a fighter is not at his best he's not at his best,I'm not holding something that every fighter does against one fighter

I'm being absolutely fair. You're comparing scenario's that aren't the same.

"Whether 1 lb or 7lbs" Well no because moving down 1 lb and moving down 7 lbs are completely different especially considering the guy moving down 7 lbs hasn't been that low in several years.

A fighter not being at their best and being completely dead are again two completely different things.

..Point is,weather Dawson was wrong or not,he signed his name..He's a pro,he took a azz kicking..End of story really..

Again, the fact he signed his name is irrelevant.

Fact is, he was badly drained and you don't get credit from me for beating a drained fighter.