Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[New England]

floyd and andre are both 147 lbs.

or 168 lbs.


they're fighting in november.

who are you going to pick?

[Rome-By-Ko]

What difference does it make? What's the importance of him signing his fate?

So what if he thought he could make the weight? Clearly he was wrong about that.

Ward's not to blame. Didn't say he was. He's to blame for it not being a catchweight but he's not to blame for Dawson being drained.

Doesn't matter who's to blame. Fact is, he was drained. There's nothing to credit someone for in beating a fighter who is clearly drained.



It's not an excuse. It actually happened.

Well obviously it discredits Ward. Am I supposed to give someone credit for beating a drained fighter?



No they don't. Not like they were for this fight. And you just asked about people saying it. They were saying it at the weigh in and well before that.



Well Cotto and Canelo weren't dead at the weight like Dawson that's the difference.

De La Hoya was dead at the weight for Pacquaio for example and Pacquaio doesn't get credit for that fight either.

I don't give credit to fighters for beating guys who were clearly drained. I don't understand why anyone would. It doesn't matter who's at fault for it.

So Mayweather get's no credit for beating Alvarez and Pac get's no credit for beating Cotto..Tarver get's no credit for beating Jones Pac get's no credit for beating Hatton etc etc etc..See where your foolish way of thinking is bringing us..It's ******,how do you know who was drained and who was not..They all can make this excuse after the fact,based on your logic..It's bad logic bro,a foolish way of looking at things..

Oh btw don't pick and choose,if Dawson was drained for Ward..Be fair and say the same about Alvarez and Cotto as well..Why just be foolish with one fighter,again be fair..

[IronDanHamza]

So Mayweather get's no credit for beating Alvarez and Pac get's no credit for beating Cotto..Tarver get's no credit for beating Jones Pac get's no credit for beating Hatton etc etc etc..See where your foolish way of thinking is bringing us..It's ******,how do you know who was drained and who was not..They all can make this excuse after the fact,based on your logic..It's bad logic bro,a foolish way of looking at things..

I don't know, watching the fight perhaps?

Oh btw don't pick and choose,if Dawson was drained for Ward..Be fair and say the same about Alvarez and Cotto as well..Why just be foolish with one fighter,again be fair..

No because Canelo wasn't drained and neither was Cotto and certainly neither was Hatton.

Those guys moved down to weights they had been at within the last year or so, or moved down 1 or 2 lbs or less.

Dawson moved down 7 lbs to a weight he hadn't been at in like 7 years.

Slight difference.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Possibly We don't really know what goes on behind closed doors.

In all seriousness, obviously he has no choice because Ward refused the catchweight so it was 168 or no fight.

And Ward was the biggest fight out there both money wise and legacy wise.

He had a choice in the sense he could have fought someone else, but he wanted Ward, logically. And it was either 168 or no fight.

A weight he thought he could make. Obviously he was very wrong about that in the end.

You said he had no choice,then list two choices..You know why guy's like Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard were great in and out of the ring..They did not let anyone dictate terms to them..Dawson had other options,sure they might not have been as lucrative..He had um tho,and he would have made good money to fight guy's like Cloud or even Stevenson in Stevenson's hometown..So please cut it out..He did not even make more then Ward to move down and fight Ward..He made a foolish decision,Ward should not be penalize for it..

Chad made 600,000..He would not have missed out for bypassing a Ward fight bro..

[Rome-By-Ko]

I don't know, watching the fight perhaps?



No because Canelo wasn't drained and neither was Cotto and certainly neither was Hatton.

Those guys moved down to weights they had been at within the last year or so, or moved down 1 or 2 lbs or less.

Dawson moved down 7 lbs to a weight he hadn't been at in like 7 years.

Slight difference.

Hatton moved down 7lbs bro..

Cotto moved down 2lbs but had been fighting at 147lb for 2 or 3 yrs by that time..

Every delusional fan that hates Floyd was yelling about the weight..Stop it bro,you can't make this argument for one and not for all..So either take credit away from all of them or none..Cause you sounding real suspect right now..

[IronDanHamza]

You said he had no choice,then list two choices..You know why guy's like Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard were great in and out of the ring..They did not let anyone dictate terms to them..Dawson had other options,sure they might not have been as lucrative..He had um tho,and he would have made good money to fight guy's like Cloud or even Stevenson in Stevenson's hometown..So please cut it out..He did not even make more then Ward to move down and fight Ward..He made a foolish decision,Ward should not be penalize for it..

Chad made 600,000..He would not have missed out for bypassing a Ward fight bro..

He had no choice if he wanted the Ward fight, which he did. Plus he thought he could make the weight which clearly he was wrong about. And even then he wasn't too confident because he wanted a catchweight.

Good money to fight Stevenson? Ay? What, a tune up? Why would he fight a tune up over a big fight with Ward? He wanted Ward, Ward was the biggest fight out there for him both legacy wise and money wise.

[Boxing Goat]

Yeah...at 168.

What's your point? So because the fight was at his weight class, it meant nothing? I beg to differ.

[IronDanHamza]

Hatton moved down 7lbs bro..

False.

His last two fights before Pacquaio were at 140 lbs.

Cotto moved down 2lbs but had been fighting at 147lb for 2 or 3 yrs by that time..

False.

He was 146 against Clottey in his fight prior.

Every delusional fan that hates Floyd was yelling about the weight

Ok, and?

Canelo moved down 1 lb in weight from his last fight.

He'd been as low as 150 lbs less than 2 years prior.

Stop it bro,you can't make this argument for one and not for all..So either take credit away from all of them or none..Cause you sounding real suspect right now..

Stop what? Your examples are poor.

Ricky Hatton moved down 0 lbs to a weight he'd fought at a few months prior.

Cotto moved down 1 lb in weight.

Canelo moved down 1 lb in weight to a weight he'd been at a year prior.

Dawson moved down 7 lbs to a weight he hadn't been at about 7 years prior.

They're nothing alike and the only fighter out of all of those that was clearly drained in the fight is Chad Dawson.

[IronDanHamza]

What's your point? So because the fight was at his weight class, it meant nothing? I beg to differ.

My point is Dawson was at a weight he hadn't been in years and was clearly dead at the weight.

[Boxing Goat]

He is still number 2 to me...

I think he would still whip everyone and is better than anyone not named floyd...
So what if he doesnt fight but once a year,, he has proven himself in the past, and none of his recent performances suggest that his skill level has slipped...

Ward would abuse Floyd.

Of course, he would be expected to, he outweighes him by close to 20 lbs.