Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[IronDanHamza]

Yet now,we have Stevenson Kov Cloud was still around at the time..Yea there was nobody fighting at LHW..Keep talking about it moron..I followed the Ward Dawson fight,was it mentioned??Yes weight was mentioned..Nobody made a big deal about it until Dawson got his azz handed to him,like I said from the door..Sounds to me that no matter what Ward is a loser then..If he beats Dawson,oh it's the weight that helped..Should he have loss,it would have been see he's not very good..You talk of logic yet never use any..

Those options weren't there.

At the time, there were no big fights available like Ward was.

People did make a big deal about it. There's was alot of talk.

Naturally there will be if a fighter moves down in weight after not campaigning there for many years there's going to be questions whether they can make it comfortably. Something Dawson clearly didn't do.

[Rome-By-Ko]

He cleaned Dawson's clock..At 168.

Dawson signed the contract that doesn't change the fact he was clearly drained. Fighters been drained exists.

And plenty were talking about it.



What difference does it make if Dawson called him out?

And, Dawson wanted a catchweight and Ward said no.

Any guess's on why he wanted a catchweight?

Again,just like the Cotto Pac fight..The fighter signed his name on the dotted line has everything to do with it..If the fighter felt he could not make weight,he has a easy solution..DON'T SIGN THE FUCCKING CONTRACT..Real simple tbh..

Dawson Calling out Ward at that weight means a lot,it means it was Dawson's choice..Don't now try to hold it against Ward,again completely unfair..

I did not see anything about the weight at all before the fight..It was not until after Ward got his azz handed to him did I see people making a big deal of it..Before the fight,there waas mention of it..Yet nobody made a big deal,I'm still waiting on the link of the out cry about the weight(That Dawson agree to and Challenge at)being some big issue..Again it was not until Dawson was handed his own azz that people wanted to make a stink..

Be fair homie,that's all I'm saying..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Those options weren't there.

At the time, there were no big fights available like Ward was.

People did make a big deal about it. There's was alot of talk.

Naturally there will be if a fighter moves down in weight after not campaigning there for many years there's going to be questions whether they can make it comfortably. Something Dawson clearly didn't do.

Those options were there,Stevenson was no more a name when he knocked Dawson out then he was when Dawson fought Ward..Again your not being fair and now your reaching..

Again I'm waiting for this out cry about the weight,was it mention..Of course,did anyone make a big deal about it??Hell no,mainly because Dawson called him out and said he could make the weight..Let alone signed the flipping contract..Who the fucck are you to now hold this against Ward??Love ya Dan,but cut the bull****..

[IronDanHamza]

Again,just like the Cotto Pac fight..The fighter signed his name on the dotted line has everything to do with it..If the fighter felt he could not make weight,he has a easy solution..DON'T SIGN THE FUCCKING CONTRACT..Real simple tbh..

Dawson Calling out Ward at that weight means a lot,it means it was Dawson's choice..Don't now try to hold it against Ward,again completely unfair..

I did not see anything about the weight at all before the fight..It was not until after Ward got his azz handed to him did I see people making a big deal of it..Before the fight,there waas mention of it..Yet nobody made a big deal,I'm still waiting on the link of the out cry about the weight(That Dawson agree to and Challenge at)being some big issue..Again it was not until Dawson was handed his own azz that people wanted to make a stink..

Be fair homie,that's all I'm saying..

It doesn't matter if he signed the contract. Does that magically stop him from being drained?

Then you weren't looking very hard. A lot of people, rightfully so, we're questioning if he could make the weight. Go and check the weigh in thread a lot of people were saying he looked drained at the weigh in before they'd even stepped in the ring.

It doesn't matter what people were saying anyway. He was drained and very clearly drained.

Dawson had no choice but to sign the contract anyway because Ward refused to fight at a catchweight.

[IronDanHamza]

Those options were there,Stevenson was no more a name when he knocked Dawson out then he was when Dawson fought Ward..Again your not being fair and now your reaching..

Again I'm waiting for this out cry about the weight,was it mention..Of course,did anyone make a big deal about it??Hell no,mainly because Dawson called him out and said he could make the weight..Let alone signed the flipping contract..Who the fucck are you to now hold this against Ward??Love ya Dan,but cut the bull****..

Well Stevenson was supposed to be a tune up for Dawson.

Ward was a big fight.

Dawson had no big fights available at 175 at the time.

Again, Dawson had no choice but to sign the contract because Ward refused to fight at a catchweight which Dawson wanted.

Obviously he had concerns about making the weight because he wanted a catchweight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

He is still number 2 to me...

I think he would still whip everyone and is better than anyone not named floyd...
So what if he doesnt fight but once a year,, he has proven himself in the past, and none of his recent performances suggest that his skill level has slipped...

[Rome-By-Ko]

It doesn't matter if he signed the contract. Does that magically stop him from being drained?

Then you weren't looking very hard. A lot of people, rightfully so, we're questioning if he could make the weight. Go and check the weigh in thread a lot of people were saying he looked drained at the weigh in before they'd even stepped in the ring.

It doesn't matter what people were saying anyway. He was drained and very clearly drained.

Dawson had no choice but to sign the contract anyway because Ward refused to fight at a catchweight.

If he signed the contract he felt he could make weight..If not he always had the choice of not signing it..Ward never had to agree to a catch weight,he was not even thinking about Dawson until Dawson said his name..Again Dawson also said he'd move down to 168lb..That was all on him not Ward,so please stop acting like Ward is to blame for any of it..

I'm not in the business of excuses..Which you seem to be in,Dawson signing his name and agreeing to the weight is all she wrote..Don't now use weight as an excuse or to some how discredit Ward..It's pure foolishness..

People say all kinds of guy's looked drained at the weigh in..What am I suppose to make excuses for everyone who had trouble making weight??These are pro fighters,it's their business to make weight and be prepared..Bottom line..

I did not make excuses for Cotto or Alvarez..They signed the contract,they got they azz beat..I'm not taking away from another fighters hard work cause they failed they end of the bargain..It's a foolish way of looking at things,you also open that door to other god damn fights..Which I'm really not a fan of..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Well Stevenson was supposed to be a tune up for Dawson.

Ward was a big fight.

Dawson had no big fights available at 175 at the time.

Again, Dawson had no choice but to sign the contract because Ward refused to fight at a catchweight which Dawson wanted.

Obviously he had concerns about making the weight because he wanted a catchweight.

Did they have Dawson's family hostage or something??Did they threaten to hurt somebody close to him if he did not fight??What have I missed??Cause it seemed to me Dawson had choices..Hell he could have even fought Cloud and it would have been a solid fight for good money..Don't give me he had no choice,you always have a choice..Guess what,Dawson made it..He came up short..Give Ward his credit and move on..

[IronDanHamza]

If he signed the contract he felt he could make weight..If not he always had the choice of not signing it..Dawson never had to agree to a catch weight,he was not even thinking about Dawson until Dawson said his name..Again Dawson also said he'd move down to 168lb..That was all on him not Ward,so please stop acting like Ward is to blame for any of it..

What difference does it make? What's the importance of him signing his fate?

So what if he thought he could make the weight? Clearly he was wrong about that.

Ward's not to blame. Didn't say he was. He's to blame for it not being a catchweight but he's not to blame for Dawson being drained.

Doesn't matter who's to blame. Fact is, he was drained. There's nothing to credit someone for in beating a fighter who is clearly drained.

I'm not in the business of excuses..Which you seem to be in,Dawson signing his name and agreeing to the weight is all she wrote..Don't now use weight as an excuse or to some how discredit Ward..It's pure foolishness..

It's not an excuse. It actually happened.

Well obviously it discredits Ward. Am I supposed to give someone credit for beating a drained fighter?

People say all kinds of guy's looked drained at the weigh in..What am I suppose to make excuses for everyone who had trouble making weight??These are pro fighters,it's their business to make weight and be prepared..Bottom line..

No they don't. Not like they were for this fight. And you just asked about people saying it. They were saying it at the weigh in and well before that.

I did not make excuses for Cotto or Alvarez..They signed the contract,they got they azz beat..I'm not taking away from another fighters hard work cause they failed they end of the bargain..It's a foolish way of looking at things,you also open that door to other god damn fights..Which I'm really not a fan of..

Well Cotto and Canelo weren't dead at the weight like Dawson that's the difference.

De La Hoya was dead at the weight for Pacquaio for example and Pacquaio doesn't get credit for that fight either.

I don't give credit to fighters for beating guys who were clearly drained. I don't understand why anyone would. It doesn't matter who's at fault for it.

[IronDanHamza]

Did they have Dawson's family hostage or something??Did they threaten to hurt somebody close to him if he did not fight??What have I missed??Cause it seemed to me Dawson had choices..Hell he could have even fought Cloud and it would have been a solid fight for good money..Don't give me he had no choice,you always have a choice..Guess what,Dawson made it..He came up short..Give Ward his credit and move on..

Possibly We don't really know what goes on behind closed doors.

In all seriousness, obviously he has no choice because Ward refused the catchweight so it was 168 or no fight.

And Ward was the biggest fight out there both money wise and legacy wise.

He had a choice in the sense he could have fought someone else, but he wanted Ward, logically. And it was either 168 or no fight.

A weight he thought he could make. Obviously he was very wrong about that in the end.