If Rigondeaux was a welterweight, could he outbox Mayweather?

[A-Wolf]

Judah and Corley each landed one good shot,, and what were the scores of those fights,, Floyd dominated them.. I'm sure rigo would be able to land the occasional shot vs Floyd, but I highly doubt he would be effective enough over 12 rounds to out point Floyd,,

What's "good" rocking/wobbling somebody?

[radioraheem]

Are you ****** dude? The idea of the thread is IF THEY WERE THE SAME SIZE! Not. "If you made Rigo eat a lot and put a 5'4 122lber in with Floyd... Although that is basically the same thing as the Marquez fight.

Same size as in weight, but in relative terms. Height and weight can be the same. Making reach exact is ****** though.

[joseph5620]

Are you ****** dude? The idea of the thread is IF THEY WERE THE SAME SIZE! Not. "If you made Rigo eat a lot and put a 5'4 122lber in with Floyd... Although that is basically the same thing as the Marquez fight.

No it isn't. If you believe that, it speaks for itself.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Marquez didnt struggle with Casamayor...

Funny you bring that up though, you do realize that Marquez was 3 fights separated from 128lb right?

Marquez has made a career out of being the foil to Pacquiao, he has struggled with everyone else, which really gives all of your arguments significantly less credence.

A career 126lber who moved up to chase Pacquiao, not because he grew out of any of the weights... oh... yeah... and his next fight after Floyd was at 135lb... oh wait... you mean he kept fighting at 135lb until gasp... he moved up to fight Pacquiao again?

The Marquez fight was always indefensible.

Casamoyer vs jmm was a dogfight till the 10th and jmm stopped him in 11. It was a very even fight for nine rounds 5-4 either way..

Jmm never fought at 128, it's 126, and honestly I give Floyd no credit for the Marquez fight, I knew it would be lopsided

Much respect for Marquez, he has great ability to get his face punched but still have the mental toughness to not blink and throw vicious counters but Floyd is all wrong for him, plus Floyd having size advantage, jmm stood no chance

And your wrong when you say he was 3 fights removed from 126,, he had manny 2 and Barrera and Juarez at 130, diaz, katsidis, casamoyer at 135. But you do make a valid point that jmm wasn't prepared for welter,, but even the jmm that iced manny would get dragged by Floyd.. It's just a style matchup

[Sugar Adam Ali]

What's "good" rocking/wobbling somebody?

Corley was about as competitive as Shane was vs Floyd,, one big round were he wobbled Floyd, Judah was alittle more competive and won maybe 4 rounds, but after 4 rounds in each fight, it was all floyd

[Loque-san]

Casamoyer vs jmm was a dogfight till the 10th and jmm stopped him in 11. It was a very even fight for nine rounds 5-4 either way..

Jmm never fought at 128, it's 126, and honestly I give Floyd no credit for the Marquez fight, I knew it would be lopsided

Much respect for Marquez, he has great ability to get his face punched but still have the mental toughness to not blink and throw vicious counters but Floyd is all wrong for him, plus Floyd having size advantage, jmm stood no chance

And your wrong when you say he was 3 fights removed from 126,, he had manny 2 and Barrera and Juarez at 130, diaz, katsidis, casamoyer at 135. But you do make a valid point that jmm wasn't prepared for welter,, but even the jmm that iced manny would get dragged by Floyd.. It's just a style matchup

I think a prime Casamayor would have beaten Marquez.

[!! Shawn]

Casamoyer vs jmm was a dogfight till the 10th and jmm stopped him in 11. It was a very even fight for nine rounds 5-4 either way..

Jmm never fought at 128, it's 126, and honestly I give Floyd no credit for the Marquez fight, I knew it would be lopsided

Much respect for Marquez, he has great ability to get his face punched but still have the mental toughness to not blink and throw vicious counters but Floyd is all wrong for him, plus Floyd having size advantage, jmm stood no chance

And your wrong when you say he was 3 fights removed from 126,, he had manny 2 and Barrera and Juarez at 130, diaz, katsidis, casamoyer at 135. But you do make a valid point that jmm wasn't prepared for welter,, but even the jmm that iced manny would get dragged by Floyd.. It's just a style matchup

My bad, way to catch on a typo that makes your point look even worse, a career 126lber.

The Casamayor fight still wasn't a dog fight, it was actually quite boring, Marquez had trouble getting off because of Casamayors reach early, but Casamayor was far enough past it that once he got going he stopped him.

That fact that Marquez is troubled by range, cough cough Chris John, gives more weight to the Marquez had trouble with floyd because of reach thing.

[damit305]

[QUOTE=Sugar Adam Ali;14348438]

Give me jmm on his best night, juiced to he gills, and Floyd would still own him,,, jmm excels vs aggressive guys like manny, Diaz, katsidis, but struggles anytime he faces a boxer like Barrera casamoyer, john, Floyd is a nightmare for jmm no matter what version of jmm... Even jmm knows it, hence why he has no interest in Floyd rematch when asked about it after stopping manny, even though it's his biggest payday and a chance for a welter title

Is Floyd also juiced to his gills or not? lol. You can make a case that JMM struggled with most of those styles.

Do you think JMM circa 2010-12 vs Chris John would have had any issues? Probably not. An argument can be made that Marquez could have made a second Floyd fight more competitive.

[A-Wolf]

Corley was about as competitive as Shane was vs Floyd,, one big round were he wobbled Floyd, Judah was alittle more competive and won maybe 4 rounds, but after 4 rounds in each fight, it was all floyd

Do you think I'm trying to argue that Corley may have won? Floyd had to turn it into a sloppy, aggressive fight to gain the upper hand. He had to apply pressure. Guess what would happen if he tried that **** with Rigo.

[Loque-san]

My bad, way to catch on a typo that makes your point look even worse, a career 126lber.

The Casamayor fight still wasn't a dog fight, it was actually quite boring, Marquez had trouble getting off because of Casamayors reach early, but Casamayor was far enough past it that once he got going he stopped him.

That fact that Marquez is troubled by range, cough cough Chris John, gives more weight to the Marquez had trouble with floyd because of reach thing.

After ten rounds Marquez-Casa was a draw on the scorecards. Also are you saying that Marquez only found his rhythm after ten rounds?
Marquez clearly struggled against Casa. He has always done better against agressive fighters.