What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[djtmal]

Hearns was never the same after. Iran Barkley should have never even laid a glove on Hearns.

Mugabi was never the same either. If you were't alive then, which you probably weren't, Mugabi was smashing his opposition to bits. Marvin fought that cat late in his career and stomped his as.s like a cigar on the street. Ruined.

Save it for a good debate. These dudes obviously don't have a clue

[sugarsmosley]

marvin is most definitely a certified ATG, some even hold him in top tier of there list...which i cant argue with.

oscar at the very most, sneaks into top 100 atg. imo

[Mr.Fantastic]

You're not understanding me because you're saying things I haven't said.

I'm giving the deserved credit for Whitaker. Was it a good win for Oscar? Yeah of course.

Was Whitaker clearly well passed his best? Yes of course. Still a good fighter as he showed in the actual fight with Oscar but let's not pretend that his last 3 fights before that didn't happen. Just because he won doesn't mean he didn't show clear decline. He was lucky to get the win in the fist Riveiera fight and definitely the Hurtado fight.

Riveria and Hurtado are fringe contenders and that's at best. Whitaker never looked as bad as he did in those fights and they're significantly worse than the fighters he fought in his career.

Somewhere in that you somehow see me saying "Oscar gets no credit for that win" or "Whitaker was shot" which I've not said nor implied.

The second part is that you said Whitaker and Chavez are better wins than Hearns. Which isn't true, to which I said isn't true and you somehow turn that into me saying "Haglers win over Hearns is better than anything Oscar did therefore Haglers is greater than Hearns" something else I've never said not implied.

I'm struggling as to why this needs such a through breakdown.

Haglers has a better resume, better dominance, just a better fighter all round. Has better quality, quantity

I have debunked your well passed it. If he would of, he shouldn't of been ranked that high to begin with. I even asked you a logical question and you ignored it with fear of double standards.

And again, I saw them yet again, it's an exaggeration on Whitaker not looking all pretty in the fight. Saying clearly passed his best is pretty much saying he's shot bro.

Because Chavez & Whitaker are ATGs too. Greater than Hearns who I'm also a big fan of. You're only looking at the faults when DLH faced them but turn a blind eye with Hagler's fight with Hearns.

And you have yet to prove the overall picture of the bold apart from overrating the hell out of the Duran/Hagler fights, which were great in their own way but not what people make em out to be.

Like I said, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, you haven't done that. I'm not trying to change your mind or anyone else's.

Both are great fighters, Haglar was dominant at his weight. P4P if ODLH and Haglar ever fought in even terms IMO Haglar would win.

Yup....of course you're going to be more dominant if you stay in one division for so long and face your mandatories. That is a challenge itself but, so is actually moving up to face better opponents. It's not like he moved up to face bums.

Your a moron. If you think Oscar had better technique than Hagler, you really just don't know what your looking at.

All you did was throw an insult without spelling something simple like "you're" and did no explanation as to why Hagler is so much more magically gifted than DLH.

Best explanation I've seen was with Joseph's post explaining the power on both hands, but power doesn't always equal skills.

Hearns was never the same after. Iran Barkley should have never even laid a glove on Hearns.

Mugabi was never the same either. If you were't alive then, which you probably weren't, Mugabi was smashing his opposition to bits. Marvin fought that cat late in his career and stomped his as.s like a cigar on the street. Ruined.

Yea ok Hearns was never the same. You must of forgotten his second fight with Leonard then. Didn't he beat someone on Roy Jones' resume that everyone preaches about? Hill I think.

Even with your make belief of Hearns not being the same, 2 people is not A LOT. Also, Mugabi isn't great.

[Mr.Fantastic]

marvin is most definitely a certified ATG, some even hold him in top tier of there list...which i cant argue with.

oscar at the very most, sneaks into top 100 atg. imo

Explain.......

Or you're going to be like the rest? Just say it and provide weak response as to why.

[Holywarrior]

Your a moron. If you think Oscar had better technique than Hagler, you really just don't know what your looking at.

The technique that beat Hagler also beat a prime Trinidad so...

[Holywarrior]

I have debunked your well passed it. If he would of, he shouldn't of been ranked that high to begin with. I even asked you a logical question and you ignored it with fear of double standards.

And again, I saw them yet again, it's an exaggeration on Whitaker not looking all pretty in the fight. Saying clearly passed his best is pretty much saying he's shot bro.

Because Chavez & Whitaker are ATGs too. Greater than Hearns who I'm also a big fan of. You're only looking at the faults when DLH faced them but turn a blind eye with Hagler's fight with Hearns.

And you have yet to prove the overall picture of the bold apart from overrating the hell out of the Duran/Hagler fights, which were great in their own way but not what people make em out to be.

Like I said, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, you haven't done that. I'm not trying to change your mind or anyone else's.




Yup....of course you're going to be more dominant if you stay in one division for so long and face your mandatories. That is a challenge itself but, so is actually moving up to face better opponents. It's not like he moved up to face bums.




All you did was throw an insult without spelling something simple like "you're" and did no explanation as to why Hagler is so much more magically gifted than DLH.

Best explanation I've seen was with Joseph's post explaining the power on both hands, but power doesn't always equal skills.



Yea ok Hearns was never the same. You must of forgotten his second fight with Leonard then. Didn't he beat someone on Roy Jones' resume that everyone preaches about? Hill I think.

Even with your make belief of Hearns not being the same, 2 people is not A LOT. Also, Mugabi isn't great.

Wow this was well thought out. Props.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Wow this was well thought out. Props.

Thanks man. A lot of these dudes can't even provide something credible.


I was going to make a thread dicussion about Robinson's streak vs Chavez's but it seems many are ignorant and just go with word of mouth, color, nationality, etc.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Hagler was better than oscar..

I do agree that oscar gets a lot of unwarranted criticism and gets a bad rap in terms of atg..

I think both are great but oscar is a top 100 atg hagler is top 20

[tyshun30]

In my E. Steward voice this thread is going just like i planned lmao

[Mr.Fantastic]

Hagler was better than oscar..

I do agree that oscar gets a lot of unwarranted criticism and gets a bad rap in terms of atg..

I think both are great but oscar is a top 100 atg hagler is top 20

Explain.

Specially the bold part.....GO!

18 pages and yet I haven't seen anyone truly open my eyes in understanding what's the big deal.