2013 Boxingscene Fighter of the Year - Guillermo Rigondeaux

[Weebler I]

You use Ring Rankings to justify everyone but Mayweather.

That's because when it comes to him the ring manipulate their rankings. They put Guerrrero on the PFP list ffs lol, Canelo too. There's big money to be made in hyping up FMJ opponents, the stakes are high.

Mayweather beat the #2 guy at WW and the #2 guy at Jr MW. Rankings only don't count when it's Floyd?

Well Guerrero clearly wasn't the #2 even if Ring argued it and the jury is out on Canelo's standing at 154 but even if you want to use those rankings, a couple of UD wins doesn't supercede Stevenson's KO spree against the champ and top contenders.

How many "real wins" does Chilemba have? Why did you conveniently leave that out but not when criticizing Canelo?

The Bellew win is a bonus for Stevenson in this comparison. If you want to compare Canelo (Floyd's best win of the year), compare him to Dawson, Stevenson's best win. There is of course, no comparison, because Dawson > Canelo. Compare Guerrero to Cloud and if you want to call it even, Stevenson has the Bellew and Boone wins in reserve.

You know boxing Dan, and you know Canelo's record is weak and the Trout win now looks shaky and that Guerrero's best win at 147 is Berto. You know beating those two by UD is not a basis for FOTY given the alternatives even if you continue argue otherwise.

[CubanGuyNYC]

1. Rigo
2. Bradley
3. Garcia
4. Mayweather
5. Stevenson/Kovalev

Maidana deserves some type of great humanitarian award though.

Maidana for taking care of Broner on behalf of the fans.

lmao I love it.

Maidana shouldn't even count people are just feeling overwhelming feeling of gratitude right now lol.

lol Oh, the euphoria!

[SkillspayBills]

Adonis Stevenson, beat the Lineal LHW champion of the world, another solid fighter and 2 more foes all by KO/TKO.

[RubenSonny]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=canelo&page=2

Before this fight (Canelo-Trout) I thought Mayweather would school him, but I've changed my pick I don't think he goes anywhere near Canelo now.

If Canelo lands the punches Victor Ortiz landed, Mayweather gets hurt. What his power did to a much bigger man in Trout will weigh more heavily on Floyd who doesn't have the mobility to avoid the shots for 12 rounds anymore.

I picked Cotto to beat Alvarez before this fight too, but I'm reversing that call. Alvarez stops him, he's much better than I thought he was.

[RubenSonny]

Mayweather was ducking Trout in his eyes but apparently now he doesn't think highly of Trout.

Canelo was a threat to Mayweather, he was the fight to make, the fight he would duck.

Now, it's a win against a fighter with no resume.

Convenient.

A lot of guys on here have the rare ability to feel no shame

[IronDanHamza]

That's because when it comes to him the ring manipulate their rankings. They put Guerrrero on the PFP list ffs lol, Canelo too. There's big money to be made in hyping up FMJ opponents.

Oh right, yeah.

Chuck's on the payroll Sounds legit.

If you're not going to use rankings for Mayweather then you can't use rankings for anyone.

Making up a baseless accusation doesn't mean you can use one logic for one and not the other.

Well Guerrero clearly wasn't the #2 even if Ring argued it and the jury is out on Canelo's standing at 154 but even if you want to use those rankings, a couple of UD wins doesn't supercede Stevenson's KO spree against the champ and top contenders.

He beat two Top 10 WW's, one as a heavy underdog so his ranking was justified at the time. He was #3 anyway not #2 on second thought.

And you say "Guererro clearly wasn't #2" then list Chilemba as #7 and Bellew at #6 like that's legit Despite none of them having any wins over Top 10 LHW's yet Guererro has two.

Again, point being, try harder to cover your bias.

The Bellew win is a bonus for Stevenson in this comparison. If you want to compare Canelo (Floyd's best win of the year), compare him to Dawson, Stevenson's best win. There is of course, no comparison, because Dawson > Canelo. Compare Guerrero to Cloud and if you want to call it even, Stevenson has the Bellew and Boone wins in reserve.

The Boone win is irrelevant. Cloud and Dawson coming off loss's and Bellew's not good at all.

Guererro is undoubedbly better than Cloud especially coming off a one sided loss and Canelo is better than Dawson aswell coming off a loss.

You know boxing Dan, and you know Canelo's record is weak and the Trout win now looks shaky and that Guerrero's best win at 147 is Berto. You know beating those two by UD is not a basis for FOTY given the alternatives even if you continue argue otherwise.

It has basis IMO or atleast he's in the running he beat two Top 3 ranked fighters across 2 weight divisions one of which was supposed to be one of the biggest threats of his career so yeah, I'd say it's justified.

But that's not what my post was about I didn't mention anything about who I think should be FOTY the point of my post was you're talking about "objectivity" yet your post is absolutely riddled with clear, obvious bias.

Why did you put "Disputed" next to Canelo's win over Trout but not Cloud's win over Johnson?

You talk about fighters not having "real wins" for Mayweather's opposition or his oppositions opposition then list guys like ****ing Chilema and Bellew of all people Who have a grand total of zero wins over ranked opposition. Why?

Why not specify that Cloud and Dawson were coming off one sided loss's in which neither won a round? I'm sure you'd make that pretty apparent if the shoe was on the other foot.

You are the absolute last person to talk about objectivity.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You talk of perspective,Bradley had imo FOTY with Prov,who was coming off 4 wins in a row,Marquez had his best win of his career before fighting Bradley..Stevenson beat Dawson moving back up in weight after being stopped and having his azz handed to him by Ward..Talk about getting some perspective,fuccking moron..

4 wins over who? Some ESPN bums?

Give Dawson 4 opponents the calibre of what Provodnikov was facing and he'd have 4 KOs too. Absolutely laughable. He fought Andre Ward, one of the best fighters in the world at his wrong weight. Provodnikov a better win than Dawson....LMAO

Stop tonguing Bradley's poop-shoot for 1 second PLEASE

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Anyone who is not taking into account that Mayweather broke the PPV rec is just being foolish and a bit unfair as well..Not only did Mayweather fight the guy everyone wanted him to fight,but he beat him easy and broke PPV rec's at the same time..Clearly a top guy for FOTY..

What does that have to even do with anything? The award is not called PPV star of the year. It's not called "legacy of the year" which makes no sense. And it's not called "Bank Account of the year".

Mayweather deserves to be up there because of his two dominating performances in the ring, one over a guy considered his biggest threat.

[Rome-By-Ko]

4 wins over who? Some ESPN bums?

Give Dawson 4 opponents the calibre of what Provodnikov was facing and he'd have 4 KOs too. Absolutely laughable. He fought Andre Ward, one of the best fighters in the world at his wrong weight. Provodnikov a better win than Dawson....LMAO

Stop tonguing Bradley's poop-shoot for 1 second PLEASE

He was coming off a lose period..Not to mention no mention of Marquez who KO'd Manny..Dawson does not have a win to match Marquez..Dawson is not viewed the same class of fighter Marquez is either..So stop it..Your hate for one fighter has clouded ya judgement..Bradley is clearly a leading canadate..There is no question about it..I really don't see what it is your arguing either..Are you saying Bradley should not be consider for FOTY??Please don't tell me your ******ity has went this far..

[RubenSonny]

Severe weightdraining, like Dawson in the Ward fight, will have a lasting impact on a fighter.