Comments Thread For: Rigondeaux's Co-Promoter Not Happy With Promotion

[hitking]

He's old. He has 0 offense. He doesn't speak english. He has no persona. Most importantly he's cuban trying to make a name in America. So no he won't ever be a minor star let alone major.

So why was Bernard Hopkins, who's more "boring" than Rigo, able to become a "minor star" pretty much in his late 30s and 40s?

[Grimgash]

So why was Bernard Hopkins, who's more "boring" than Rigo, able to become a "minor star" pretty much in his late 30s and 40s?

Personality. He speaks english. He isn't Cuban. He roughed you up and got on the inside. He was brash and very outspoken. Pretty much everything Rigo is not.

[Grimgash]

Floyd couldn't draw flies to **** when he was with TR.

Floyd Mayweather vs. Arturo Gatti Thunder & Lightning 365,000
Floyd Mayweather vs. Zab Judah Sworn Enemies 374,000

Those are PPV numbers btw.

[hitking]

Unfortunately, boxing events have been sold to a different crowd: The casuals. Casual fans, for the most part do not appreciate movement, footwork, defense, or the sense of tact and timing. They do not understand that what Mayweather, Rigo, and ward do in much more difficult to do and do well than what Margarito, Rios, and Kirkland do. Do you think that if Margarito could do what Rigo does, he’d fight with his face as his guard?

Another misconception, and I might be wrong is that people say “Well, casuals buy the fight because they are exciting.” Maybe, but I think that they “watch” they fight if they’re exciting when they’re free. There are few universal fighters. Most casuals are compelled to buy PPV when a compatriot fights. Rigo could fight like Barrera and Morales in all his fights and he still wouldn’t sell like them. If Jorge Arce was Cuban he’d sell about as much as Rigo.

I know Rigo could’ve been a little more aggressive against Adbeko. But even if he did what he did to Teon, or rico, or that Irish kid, Willie Casey; his next fight would be attended by the same crowd. Cuban fans are not like Mexican fans, or philipinos. Cuban fans do not commit, they do not support en masse. Just look at stadiums in Cuba, or any other sporting even in Miami (save perhaps the Miami heat, and that’s a different crowd). I remember a card I attended where Gamboa, Lara, and Garbey were fighting and there were about less than 400 people. This was in Miami! On a Friday afternoon! With free Parking! And $25 tickets! Unfortunately again, that is the situation for Cuban fighters, whether they fight like Willie Pep or like Duran.

The fact is, the average "casual" fan couldn't name 10 current fighters. The only two fighters in the game today that even have to worry about appealing to the casuals are Floyd and Pac. And most of the guys that the casuals know are because they saw them fight Floyd or Pac.

The situation with Rigo is simple. HBO and TR are pissed off because Rigo completely **** in the face of a guy they were hoping to build into a mainstream star. And all of the horse**** they're saying about Rigo now is because they don't want him to do that to another guy they may be trying to build. If people will watch a Ward or a Hopkins, they'll wach Rigo.

[youth]

The fact is, the average "casual" fan couldn't name 10 current fighters. The only two fighters in the game today that even have to worry about appealing to the casuals are Floyd and Pac. And most of the guys that the casuals know are because they saw them fight Floyd or Pac.

The situation with Rigo is simple. HBO and TR are pissed off because Rigo completely **** in the face of a guy they were hoping to build into a mainstream star. And all of the horse**** they're saying about Rigo now is because they don't want him to do that to another guy they may be trying to build. If people will watch a Ward or a Hopkins, they'll wach Rigo.

Rigo is terrible to watch and he in a baby weight class. Bad combo

[Cinci Champ]

This shows rigo is not a main event fighter.Agbeko is one of the
bigger names in the lower weight divison,And rigo ratings still bombed.
Looks like rigo gonna have to move up a divison.

lets be honest tho rigo fights a legit fighter and its not up against another card on showtime it will do fine. Its almost like arum is trying to screw over rigo. I guess if he can convince the public donaire lost only because rigo is boring hell make more money. It really does seem like arum could care less about rigo tho and aint really helping him

[Art-illery]

Caribe Promotions... TIGHTEN UP.

Now what I'm saying is purely based off of speculation, but I believe that Bob Arum and Top Rank are frustrated with the idea of Rigondeaux having other people in Rigo's ears about the direction of where Rigo's career should go. TR operates as a monopoly-minded boxing company in which Bob Arum's word isn't only gold... IT'S LAW. For whatever reason, Rigondeaux and his team were being setup for a while in regards to this fight!

1) Promotion of this fight only took place in about a week or two before the fight actually happened. I remember it being a while before the actual tickets were put on sale.

2) Anybody with common sense should've figured that Rigo and Agbeko weren't the main attractions to this fight, it was the "hometown hero" of the fight (Glen Tapia). How the hell do you think people in Jersey even found out about this fight!? Because one of their own was fighting on the cards... The average person CAN'T EVEN PRONOUNCE the names of "Rigondeaux" and "Agbeko!" . lol.. You also got to place in the matchmaking ability of the promoters in pairing Tapia up with another brawler in James Kirkland. Two brawlers with power is always going to be what boxing fans describe as a "war", and the experienced brawler is usually the victor. Now if people see their hometown hero get wrecked, do you think that they're going to stick around to see two boxers that they don't know fight? Probably not... It was being said that people were walking out in the first and second rounds. I would've AT LEAST stuck around for the forth or fifth rounds to see if any action would've popped off!

3) They were being played on the same night with another card on a competing network that already had established names like Paulie Malignaggi, Zab Judah, Devon Alexander (based off of his hometown support in St. Louis), and Austin Trout (that got a lil' bit of fame by beating Miguel Cotto and by fighting Canelo). That's hard competition to go up against, and it was competition that Rigo and Agbeko wasn't going to overshadow.

Most of this ain't got ***** to do with "Rigo's fighting style..." The only thing about Rigondeaux "throwing more punches" is that it offers a small window of vulnerability against Rigondeaux whose boxing defense rivals that of Floyd Mayweather Jr! The same promotional company and prime time network throwing Rigondeaux under the bus are the same networks and promotional companies that tried to promote Terrance Crawford (who has good skill, but isn't near the skill level of Rigo). Bob Arum is the same promoter that tried to tell boxing fans that Donaire and Nishioka was an "exciting fight..." SMH. I'm still trying to figure out why Rigondeaux wasn't put on the undercards of Cotto and Rodriguez (and Crawford was). Rigondeuax would've drawn in more of the Cuban fanbase more than Terrance Crawford drawing in an American fanbase!

FUCK the political differences between the United States and Cuba... Boxing is a sport whose revenue is primarily supported by superficial nationalism, and if the regular person in Cuba had access (and PERMISSION) to watch Rigondeaux's fights live, trust me... ALL OF CUBA WOULD BE WATCHING. Bob Arum and HBO would be kissing Rigondeaux's black a$$ with his boring style if all of Cuba was watching and supporting one of their best!

[hitking]

Personality. He speaks english. He isn't Cuban. He roughed you up and got on the inside. He was brash and very outspoken. Pretty much everything Rigo is not.

Floyd Mayweather vs. Arturo Gatti Thunder & Lightning 365,000
Floyd Mayweather vs. Zab Judah Sworn Enemies 374,000

Those are PPV numbers btw.

Would you say those were more Floyd numbers or Gatti numbers? I'd say coming off the Gatti-Ward trilogy, those were more Gatti numbers.

And the Gatti fight happen right around the same time RJ was KO'd by Tarver and Floyd took over as the P4P King. So naturally, more fight fans took notice and wanted t see him fight. Which will be the case when and if Rigo takes over the P4P crown.

If you think Hopkins' throw a punch, duck your head, charge and grab routine is more enteraining than Rigo, you're nuts.

[hitking]

Rigo is terrible to watch and he in a baby weight class. Bad combo

I watch Rigo's fights and I'm quite entertained.

[Grimgash]

Now what I'm saying is purely based off of speculation, but I believe that Bob Arum and Top Rank are frustrated with the idea of Rigondeaux having other people in Rigo's ears about the direction of where Rigo's career should go. TR operates as a monopoly-minded boxing company in which Bob Arum's word isn't only gold... IT'S LAW. For whatever reason, Rigondeaux and his team were being setup for a while in regards to this fight!

1) Promotion of this fight only took place in about a week or two before the fight actually happened. I remember it being a while before the actual tickets were put on sale.

2) Anybody with common sense should've figured that Rigo and Agbeko weren't the main attractions to this fight, it was the "hometown hero" of the fight (Glen Tapia). How the hell do you think people in Jersey even found out about this fight!? Because one of their own was fighting on the cards... The average person CAN'T EVEN PRONOUNCE the names of "Rigondeaux" and "Agbeko!" . lol.. You also got to place in the matchmaking ability of the promoters in pairing Tapia up with another brawler in James Kirkland. Two brawlers with power is always going to be what boxing fans describe as a "war", and the experienced brawler is usually the victor. Now if people see their hometown hero get wrecked, do you think that they're going to stick around to see two boxers that they don't know fight? Probably not... It was being said that people were walking out in the first and second rounds. I would've AT LEAST stuck around for the forth or fifth rounds to see if any action would've popped off!

3) They were being played on the same night with another card on a competing network that already had established names like Paulie Malignaggi, Zab Judah, Devon Alexander (based off of his hometown support in St. Louis), and Austin Trout (that got a lil' bit of fame by beating Miguel Cotto and by fighting Canelo). That's hard competition to go up against, and it was competition that Rigo and Agbeko wasn't going to overshadow.

Most of this ain't got ***** to do with "Rigo's fighting style..." The only thing about Rigondeaux "throwing more punches" is that it offers a small window of vulnerability against Rigondeaux whose boxing defense rivals that of Floyd Mayweather Jr! The same promotional company and prime time network throwing Rigondeaux under the bus are the same networks and promotional companies that tried to promote Terrance Crawford (who has good skill, but isn't near the skill level of Rigo). Bob Arum is the same promoter that tried to tell boxing fans that Donaire and Nishioka was an "exciting fight..." SMH. I'm still trying to figure out why Rigondeaux wasn't put on the undercards of Cotto and Rodriguez (and Crawford was). Rigondeuax would've drawn in more of the Cuban fanbase more than Terrance Crawford drawing in an American fanbase!

FUCK the political differences between the United States and Cuba... Boxing is a sport whose revenue is primarily supported by superficial nationalism, and if the regular person in Cuba had access (and PERMISSION) to watch Rigondeaux's fights live, trust me... ALL OF CUBA WOULD BE WATCHING. Bob Arum and HBO would be kissing Rigondeaux's black a$$ with his boring style if all of Cuba was watching and supporting one of their best!

But.....they can't. America hates Cuba. If I was born as Steve Jobs son I'd never have had to actually goto college get a degree and work a real job. The fact of the matter is I wasn't and it matters. All the wishing in the world isn't going to make Rigo a star. He has to change himself, promoters won't waste money on someone they can't make money off of. It's that simple. I've said it countless times and it's a simple concept for anyone who's taken business 101 or understands how making money works. No one invests in an investment that's guaranteed to fail.

Moral of story life isn't fair. If he was Mexican he'd sell quite well...he's not because the world isn't all lollipops and roses.