What fighters did Floyd Duck?

[IronDanHamza]

Only fighters he genuinely avoided IMO was Johnston and Margarito.

[IronDanHamza]

Seriously, all of you have got to stop with defending Floyd, he has ducked countless fighters, time and time again.

I've gone through this so many times but I'll go through it maybe once more.

Floyd could have fought Kostya prior to his 2005 loss to Hatton. Floyd moved up to 140 circa 2004 and had 3 fights at the weight, against Bruseles, Corley and Gatti....this wasn't a short visit to 140, he was there long enough to fight the best and in Floyd's own words, he only wants to fight the best and biggest names out there. The biggest name at 140, prior to Hatton was Kostya yet Floyd fought relative unknown in Bruseles, a decent fighter but not a major draw in Corley and a badly faded Gatti...Arturo hadn't been anywhere near his best for almost half a decade now. This was the most laughable of all fights at 140.

If Floyd had said I'm moving up to 140 to fight mediocre fighters to get my barings than I wouldn't hold it against him, but he went on record, several times in his career, that he only wants to fight the best. Was Brusele the best? Or Corley? or Gatti? When Kortya was still around and had brutalised Judah, when Cotto was making waves...no, Floyd had the worst pick of opponents possible. Heck, he didn't even fight Hatton at 140 LOL

Then we have his move to 147, his resume prior to "retirement" was Mitchell, Baldomir and Judah. That's not so bad, considering Baldomir had won a huge upset against Judah and Judah was still a relevant and highly skilled fighter at the time. The Mitchell fight is ridiculous but it's understandable. Fair enough, then he moved up to fight Oscar, a ballsy move since Oscar was the best available guy at the weight, I liked the fight A LOT, it had great potential and Floyd deserves all the credit in the world...then came the BS retirement following a good performance against a game, strong and very competitive Hatton.

Hatton was in noway the best guy for Floyd to fight at 147, considering Margarito, Cotto and Mosley were active and Cotto/Marg were getting into the full swing of their primes. This would be understandable if Floyd then fought on in 08, calling out Cotto/Marg or Mosley but none of that happened. Just when the Welterweight division was getting into full swing wit ha crop of terrific fighters, including Paul Williams and Carlos Quintana has other names on a possible list of opponents.

Floyd not only retired but didn't respond to Williams calling him out or Margarito, especially post Cotto. Why is that? There is no doubt those fights would make more money than fights against guys like Mitchell, Bruseles and Baldomir, why didn't they happen? When Floyd was asked about fighting Cotoo/Marg, he replied they had lost...I think i twas Brian Kenny who then reminded him that they lost cos they were fighting each other, a good crop of welters being in good scraps.

Then came the Mosley question, 04-07 Mosley was still very good at 147, still fast, still had an engine in him and could **** with the best of them. Floyd said he didn't fight guys with 5 losses....and yet would fight him in 09 when he was a shot fighter.

So, post retirement then, Floyd went on record to say that he came out of retirement to respond to Marquez's call out....seriously? How is that even defensible? Marquez had, until that point, lost almost every major fight in his career and was a lightweight. Why did Floyd not respond to Margarito or PWill calling him out? Floyd, who says he wants to always fight the best was willing to fight a lightweight and not other, more relevant welterweights? Both of whom would have made him far more money? Is that ducking or not?

Then Floyd would eventually pick on a shot Mosley, even though Pacquiao was now the big man in the division, the other big cash cow and ready to make a 100 million dollar fight....let that money sink in for a second, Floyd can not make that sort of money with any other fighter on the planet, even now.

Floyd has now ducked Pacquiao for 4 years, longer than he ducked Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Williams and Kostya....4 years of the biggest fight in boxing's financial history, in that time he has deemed it fit to fight b level opponents in Guerrero and Ortiz...seriously, those 2? Since Oscar 07, the only half decent fighter he has faced was a post-prime but still very good Miguel Cotto. That's 6 years of 0 major fights...6 years.

And let's not get into the whole Canelo crap, that wasn't a boxing event, it was a marketing event and everyone knows it. Don't be offended but all the dumbass latinos bought into the whole, Canelo is HUGE, he's a beast, he can give Floyd trouble yet everyone knew that Floyd would have an easy...everyone with a basic interest in boxing and non-latino blood. Canelo's best work prior to Floyd was an unconvincing performance against a totally shot to **** Mosley and a very, VERY close decision against Trout. Yet Canelo, an inch shorter than Mayweather, was meant to be a beast, even though it took him an eternity to get rid of old, shot fighters such as Ryan Rhodes and a tiny 140 pounder in Matty Hatton.

Floyd's biggest fight even now is Pacquiao, if not than Bradley or Martinez up at 154, considering Floyd called him out at that weight.

At no point in this post have I mentioned the countless interviews where Floyd says he doesn't want to fight Pacquiao, claiming the media are putting words in his mouth, claiming he cares about his health and his family and that Pacquiao would hurt him too much and ever since Martinez agreed to coming down to 154, Floyd has been schtum on the whole subject, ask yourselves, why is that?

Floyd clearly wanted the Kosta Tszyu fight and when it became apparent that wasn't going to happen he went for the next if heat ranked fighter which was Gatti.

[soul_survivor]

Floyd clearly wanted the Kosta Tszyu fight and when it became apparent that wasn't going to happen he went for the next if heat ranked fighter which was Gatti.

That's BS and you know it, any boxing fan and anyone who has ever boxed or seen Gattin in his prime, knew by then that Gatti was barely a top 20 140 lb fighter by now. Are you seriously justifying fights with Gatti and Brusele over Kostya???

How about Floyd not fighting Pwill, Margarito, Pacquiao, prime Cotto, a better version of Mosley?

How will you justify Floyd saying he won't fight Cotto/Marg cos they have losses? Or Mosley cos he has 5 losses? Or not fighting Pacquiao since Pacquiao is a drugs cheat and needs to take the test...then Pacquiao agreed to drug testing and the fight still never happened? Justify Floyd saying he'd be willing to fight Martinez at 154 and when Martinez called his bluff he didn't respond? How do you justify Floyd saying he'd fight Pac post Ortiz then moments later saying that the media put words in his mouth? How do you justify Floyd fighting Cotto and Mosley years after the fights were relevant?

If you can answer half of those questions I will admit that I'm wrong in thinking Floyd is a duck. Deal?

BTW IronDan, you're the worst poster on this site, not only cos your biased, a lot of the guys here are but because you try to come across like tou know boxing but you don't know ****

[billeau2]

The only fighters I can think of is Paul Williams and Margarito. Other then that he has fought the best. Everybody says he waited to fight Cotto out of his prime. I say thats BS. He fought when he was coming off a 3 win streak all by knockout. And he fought him at a higher and more dangerous weight. Cotto ended up being Floyd's toughest fight in years, so for people to say Cotto was a cherry pick is laughable. If he was how come the great Manny Pacquiao didnt rematch Cotto at that weight? Also if you look at his other opponents majority they were either undefeated or coming of of big wins by the time Floyd fought them. But yet they people yell out cherry pick. Even though prior to the fight opponents are dubbed the ones to end Floyd's reign. When they lose all of a sudden their washed up or exposed, even though they would have given other opponents problems.

Floyd's problem is that he is so good that he gives the illusion that his opponents are cherry picked. The fact that he makes them look like amateurs (not Cotto) makes people think that. Its not his fault he is skillful. If Floyd is really a "fraud" then how come his opponents failed to gain the same success they did with previous opponents? It boils down to skill. As much as haters would love to see Floyd lose I just don't see it happening. I dont even think Pacquiao stands a chance. Marquez has shown that you only need to be able to time and counter punch to give pacquio problems. We all know who the best counter puncher in game is right now, so would Pacquiao really have a chance. He will give Floyd problems at first but he will adjust and win. We shall wait and see i guess

Exactly

lol at the Margarito idiocy.

Floyd's biggest problem is that he never fought a prime Pacman...Not his fault, Arum is a slimeball and never gave a **** about the fans enough to let this fight get made....But its undeniable. Floyd has never had the chance to shine against an opponent who people considered the 'one to beat' and he lost that chance forever now because Pac had lost a step.

[IronDanHamza]

That's BS and you know it, any boxing fan and anyone who has ever boxed or seen Gattin in his prime, knew by then that Gatti was barely a top 20 140 lb fighter by now. Are you seriously justifying fights with Gatti and Brusele over Kostya???

How about Floyd not fighting Pwill, Margarito, Pacquiao, prime Cotto, a better version of Mosley?

How will you justify Floyd saying he won't fight Cotto/Marg cos they have losses? Or Mosley cos he has 5 losses? Or not fighting Pacquiao since Pacquiao is a drugs cheat and needs to take the test...then Pacquiao agreed to drug testing and the fight still never happened? Justify Floyd saying he'd be willing to fight Martinez at 154 and when Martinez called his bluff he didn't respond? How do you justify Floyd saying he'd fight Pac post Ortiz then moments later saying that the media put words in his mouth? How do you justify Floyd fighting Cotto and Mosley years after the fights were relevant?

If you can answer half of those questions I will admit that I'm wrong in thinking Floyd is a duck. Deal?



BTW IronDan, you're the worst poster on this site, not only cos your biased, a lot of the guys here are but because you try to come across like tou know boxing but you don't know ****

In absolutely no way was Gatti better than Tszyu. At any time in his career let alone that version.

However that's not what I'm saying.

Floyd wanted the Tszyu fight badly, and but it came apparent that it wasn't going to happen because #1 the timing was wrong and #2 they couldn't settle between the networks.

Tszyu has spoken about this himself around the time this was unfolding and afterward.

When that couldn't happen, he went for the next highest ranked fighter at 140 which was Gatti.

I don't know how well you read but if you read my posts a few posts up I said that I felt that Mayweather avoided Johnston and Margarito.

It's funny though that out of all the names you mentioned like Mosley for example who we know turned down a Mayweather fight yet you don't have the obvious one like Johnston.

Makes me wonder if you were following the sport then.

[GoldenGloveLove]

You could say he ducked a lot of fighters. You'd be wrong about all of them but you could say it.

[dynomyte1444]

Everyone






Really floyd has ducked no one. Every one now a days is accused of ducking someone because certain people want to see some one fight and a person doesnt do what they want.

There was a time when people were saying Floyd was ducking Hatton. That shows you how many idiots there are in this world

[A_Jeffrey]

When my friends hear the name Mayweather they say: isn't it the guy who runs from Pac? lol

[BadStoppage]

When my friends hear the name Mayweather they say: isn't it the guy who runs from Pac? lol

Boxing negotiations are complicated, you can't look at it in a bubble, Mares and Donaire were p4p guys but never fought and it's not a duck by either man.

[Bushbaby]

Antonio Margarito. Got ran out of his own interview and everything. Even caught on camera. Floyd looked petrified. Maybe he had a kink in his neck cause he sure was looking behind him a lot more after dat Margarito spook.