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  • BadStoppage
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    #121
    Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
    Stop hiding behind that loaded question. I am not talking about motivation, you are trying to hijack the point with that nonsense and I wont bite.

    The issue is does money define everything? You seem to think so. Reality tells us it doesnt. While they all made choices based on money...Ali, SRL, Duran...hell ANY legend is not remembered for what they made, but what they did in the ring.
    Keyboard Warrior, I bet you think Floyd picks on smaller fighters.

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    • WilkinsOlajuwon
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      #122
      Originally posted by BadStoppage
      I love how emotional you are, we get it you want to have sex with Orlando Cruz.
      No need to wave the white flag. You already proved you can't keep up.. enjoy.

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        #123
        Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
        Now you are just reaching...when did I praise Manny? Please copy and paste my words saying so...I'll wait.

        Fact is you have no way to reply so you are dumbing things down
        Only person dumbing thinks down is the internet tough guy.

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          #124
          u
          Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
          No need to wave the white flag. You already proved you can't keep up.. enjoy.

          Emotional fanboy, you think Floyd has to fight middleweight to prove something to you, a lonely loser.

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          • WilkinsOlajuwon
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            #125
            Originally posted by BadStoppage
            u


            Emotional fanboy, you think Floyd has to fight middleweight to prove something to you, a lonely loser.
            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

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            • The Big Dunn
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              #126
              Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
              Stop hiding behind that loaded question. I am not talking about motivation, you are trying to hijack the point with that nonsense and I wont bite.

              The issue is does money define everything? You seem to think so. Reality tells us it doesnt. While they all made choices based on money...Ali, SRL, Duran...hell ANY legend is not remembered for what they made, but what they did in the ring.
              You are still trying to change the narrative of the discussion we are having. I responded to your initial post by saying why do you think fighters take on hevaier fighters in the past for challenge or money. you won't answer because even you aren't ****** enough to suggest prize fighters have amotivation other than the prize. Thats the only reason you keep trying to change this to how someone is remembered.

              Money defines everything on someones job. Prizefighting is a boxers Job ergo, money is the primary motivation. The difference is, as I said, pre Tyson Mcneely the better fights brought more money. SInce then its not the case the 2 biggest fights have been floyd odh and floyd canelo, not excatly Hearns Hagler or SRL duran. you get my point?

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                #127
                Floyd is the best of this era....period! He just destroyed the one boy I thought would give him trouble and did it easly. Floyd is the best and the 2nd best is miles away from him. Time to give the boy his credit but I know the hate is to strong on NSB

                Doesn't matter though cause history will know the truth and it will be very kind to the ATG Floyd.

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                  #128
                  Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
                  There is some truth to the original post...some. Objectively Floyd is the best fighter on the planet, but his resume doesn't exactly scream all time great (the names matter not the # of belts or "champs" he fought, but the NAMES). He easily has the best skills we've seen in 30 years so its a tough call to know if he is choosing carefully or just that good.

                  Personally I'd like to have seen him move up to fight Sergio 1-2 years back to know for sure. Many other ATGs have moved up to seek new challenges and I dont see why Floyd shouldn't. In fact, his fans should want this.
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn
                  were they seeking challenges or bigger paydays?

                  I can respect any credit given to a fighter who fought a ton of tough fights. But When has that motivation been challenge? Prior to Tyson v McNeely, you got more money for better fights. Every once and a while there was a gerry cooney who commanded big audiences but wasn't nearly an ATG.

                  SRL had to fight Hearns to make huge money. Broner or Canelo can fight in cincy or Vegas and sell big versus you or I.
                  Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
                  Youve been arguing with too many haters to see things clearly. Boxing isn't just about money no matter how hard you want to make it so.
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn
                  you didn't respond to the question.

                  Pro boxing is about money and nothing more. Its a fighter's job, not his hobby. You think anyone calling out floyd is doing so to test their skills against the percieved #1 p4p fighter?

                  You think floyd fighting Canelo was about the lineal JWW title?

                  If pro boxing isn't about money, why doesn't every fighter just stay an amatuer? You can still fight the same people.
                  Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
                  You are saying its ALL about money which is just ridiculous and nothing but a defense for what you perceive as Floyd bashing. Its transparent and tired.

                  SRL made 12 million for Duran 2...thats almost 30 million dollars in todays money...but is that what people remember? Your logic would suggest it...but in reality you are wrong. People remember SRL coming back from a loss to beat one of the finest fighters in history.

                  So we've seen that it can be done. Has Floyd done that? It's not as clear. If his resume was as strong as a SRL, Duran or Hearns, Hopkins you wouldnt need to bring up the money aspect.
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn
                  No, I answered your post about challenges. You still have yet to show where boxers in the past fought heaviervfighters for challenge. All you've done is label me and purposely misslabel my point because you can't refute it.

                  I made no point about why people remember fights. What does how people remember fights have to do with the motivation for a fighter to take a fight?

                  Floyd didn't lose so thats why we don't know if he can comeback from a loss to win. The strength of their resumes in no way changes why they fought professionally.

                  You still haven't answered the initial question.
                  Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
                  Stop hiding behind that loaded question. I am not talking about motivation, you are trying to hijack the point with that nonsense and I wont bite.

                  The issue is does money define everything? You seem to think so. Reality tells us it doesnt. While they all made choices based on money...Ali, SRL, Duran...hell ANY legend is not remembered for what they made, but what they did in the ring.
                  You have a lot of debates going on at once so I put them all together so maybe you will see my point.

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                  • WilkinsOlajuwon
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                    #129
                    Originally posted by Big Dunn
                    You are still trying to change the narrative of the discussion we are having. I responded to your initial post by saying why do you think fighters take on hevaier fighters in the past for challenge or money. you won't answer because even you aren't ****** enough to suggest prize fighters have amotivation other than the prize. Thats the only reason you keep trying to change this to how someone is remembered.

                    Money defines everything on someones job. Prizefighting is a boxers Job ergo, money is the primary motivation. The difference is, as I said, pre Tyson Mcneely the better fights brought more money. SInce then its not the case the 2 biggest fights have been floyd odh and floyd canelo, not excatly Hearns Hagler or SRL duran. you get my point?
                    You simply wont accept that other ATGs moved up and fought much tougher challenges that FLoyd has...indeed money was at play but its not defined as such--that's the rub buddy. No one remembers the greats for what they made and how many PPVs they sold. History has taught us that you can make tons of money AND fight the best--Floyd hasnt, even though he could probably beat them all.
                    Last edited by WilkinsOlajuwon; 09-24-2013, 11:08 AM.

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                    • KeepItObjective
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by Fetta
                      Floyd is the best of this era....period! He just destroyed the one boy I thought would give him trouble and did it easly. Floyd is the best and the 2nd best is miles away from him. Time to give the boy his credit but I know the hate is to strong on NSB

                      Doesn't matter though cause history will know the truth and it will be very kind to the ATG Floyd.


                      Destroying is knocking down, hurting... Floyd did none of that. Even at the catchweight.

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