Mayweather hasn't faced a legit prime opponent in 7 years

[BadStoppage]

You simply wont accept that other ATGs moved up and fought much tougher challenges that FLoyd has...indeed money was at play but its not defined as such--that's the rub buddy. No one remembers the greats for what they made and how many PPVs they sold. History has taught us that you can make tons of money AND fight the best--Floyd hasnt, even he could probably beat them all.

What you don't get with your blind hate is Floyd has moved up, I don't think you get that. Manny gets credit for being a natural lightweight but the Floyd haters have given Floyd absolutely no credit for fighting bigger fighters. Stop being a female.

[Fetta]

Destroying is knocking down, hurting... Floyd did none of that. Even at the catchweight.

fine he embarrassed him which to me is destroying. Floyd's the best time you accepted it

[The Big Dunn]

You simply wont accept that other ATGs moved up and fought much tougher challenges that FLoyd has...indeed money was at play but its not defined as such--that's the rub buddy. No one remembers the greats for what they made and how many PPVs they sold. History has taught us that you can make tons of money AND fight the best--Floyd hasnt, even he could probably beat them all.

you are trying to change the narrative again. see the post with everything to focus your mind.

Yes, fighters have moved up and fought tougher challanges than floyd. But prize fighters don't move up for challenge, they move up for money. SRL didn't move up for Hagler for legacy, he did it for money. SInce he won, his legacy was enhanced. Same as Duran moving up for SRL. Same as floyd would if he fought Sergio.

Again, we agree. You can make tons of money fighting the best in 1987 or 1956. Even today your highest payday is floyd-the best fighter. But in the post Tyson Mcneely era a guy like Broner can make huge money not fighting the best, same as Canelo because They have a following.

Cotto is about o make 2.3 mil for Rodriguez. Bradley made 1. 5 for Casamayor. Networks now give money to secure future fights. Its abou who the fighter is not who they are fighting.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

you are trying to change the narrative again. see the post with everything to focus your mind.

Yes, fighters have moved up and fought tougher challanges than floyd. But prize fighters don't move up for challenge, they move up for money. SRL didn't move up for Hagler for legacy, he did it for money. SInce he won, his legacy was enhanced. Same as Duran moving up for SRL. Same as floyd would if he fought Sergio.

Again, we agree. You can make tons of money fighting the best in 1987 or 1956. Even today your highest payday is floyd-the best fighter. But in the post Tyson Mcneely era a guy like Broner can make huge money not fighting the best, same as Canelo. They have a following.

Thanks, I dont need your advice on how to see things. This isnt the first time we have discussed this. You think money trumps resume. I dont.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Cotto is about o make 2.3 mil for Rodriguez. Bradley made 1. 5 for Casamayor. Networks now give money to secure future fights. Its abou who the fighter is not who they are fighting.

And you are OK with this, you think this is just because you are a fan of FLoyd (which you are entitled to be)

But I dont believe pointing out egregiously overpaying fighters helps to bolster a fighter's ATG status.

[BadStoppage]

And you are OK with this, you think this is just because you are a fan of FLoyd (which you are entitled to be)

But I dont believe pointing out egregiously overpaying fighters helps to bolster a fighter's ATG status.

Wow Manny fan you don't think Floyd is an ATG? You are blinded by hate because most of the Manny fans are trolling but I can tell you are dead serious.

[BennyST]

Bro the fact that you brought up Pac tells me you dont have the chops to be in this conversation. He has nothing to do with this other than him contributing to this new era where PPV buys mean more than your opponent.

If you want the crux of my point, see my example about SRL/Duran 2---if you can comprehend it.

Interesting way to reply to a simple answer to your post champ. If you don't want to discuss the points mate, and just fall back on insults, **** off and converse with yourself. Don't pull the petty insults bag out. **** sake...

If we're talking about money in boxing today, he has a lot to do with it, because he and Floyd are the two highest earners by a country mile. Floyd is often talked about as choosing fights based on money, yet Pac doesn't get the same thing. I was simply raising the relevant point that it goes without saying that Pac, and Floyd both choose fights based on money. It's their job. That simple.

Anyway, you seem to be disagreeing based on a misunderstanding. You're talking from a fans POV, which I completely agree with. I don't give a flying **** about who earns what. Makes no difference to me. I care about who they fight.

As for Duran and Ray, well Duran took the rematch quick because of money. A lot of it. He got more than Ray in the rematch, and his manager was offered extra to get it done quick too. The legends of the game matter to us because of their fights, but to them, it's all about money, particularly when they get to the top and lose their initial youthful fire.

But to say Floyd doesn't challenge himself after 19 champions, 5 different weight classes, and well over a decade at the top is absurd. To say Canelo wasn't a challenge? Really?

[The Big Dunn]

And you are OK with this, you think this is just because you are a fan of FLoyd (which you are entitled to be)

But I dont believe pointing out egregiously overpaying fighters helps to bolster a fighter's ATG status.

The problem we have is your initial assumption that my question was rooted in being a floyd fan and responding to "bashing". Look, if you think like that fine but thats ******ed.

I think networks pay fighters for reasons differently then the past. I think boxing in the ppv era is different than in the past. Networks are investing in "stars". Look at GGG, does his resume warrant HBO calling him the bst MW in the world. Of course not.

Did ANdre Berto deserve the payments he got based on who he fought? of course not.

The narrative change thing again. I never mentioned anything about money relative to ATG status. I'll try one last time.

If floyd fights Sergio for the MW title it will enhance his legacy. We know though that he would be taking this fight primarily because there are not more lucrative options available. In this case, as was Hagler SRL, the pursuit of money enahnced the legacy.

Just because you make alot doesn't make you an ATG. But when ATG's like a SRL, Duran, floyd, move up for more lucrative opportunities. In the past those were the better fights.

[The Big Dunn]

Thanks, I dont need your advice on how to see things. This isnt the first time we have discussed this. You think money trumps resume. I dont.

No, I think pro fighters fight for money because its their job. You ever pay for your mortgage or food for your kids with your legacy? do you even have a family to support?

To extrapolate that point into something else regarding money trumping legacy makes no sense.

[BennyST]

You are still trying to change the narrative of the discussion we are having. I responded to your initial post by saying why do you think fighters take on hevaier fighters in the past for challenge or money. you won't answer because even you aren't ****** enough to suggest prize fighters have amotivation other than the prize. Thats the only reason you keep trying to change this to how someone is remembered.

Money defines everything on someones job. Prizefighting is a boxers Job ergo, money is the primary motivation. The difference is, as I said, pre Tyson Mcneely the better fights brought more money. StInce then its not the case the 2 biggest fights have been floyd odh and floyd canelo, not excatly Hearns Hagler or SRL duran. you get my point?

Sadly, a lot of people thought it was, just as they did with Oscar and Floyd. The problem with this era is that apart from Floyd, there isn't anyone else that gets close to heights of the 70's and 80's big fight era.