Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[BattlingNelson]

For a cup of coffee. I like Vitali and he will go the HOF, but his career is lacking. Not all his fault. He got held in Europe way too much early while he killed time looking for a mando.

Agreed. He lost time waiting for Lewis to fullfill his mandatory obligations and he lost time because of injuries. Certainly his resume could be better and probably also better than his brothers, but it is what it is.

Cliff, do you personally operate with a strict defintion of ATG?

[Boxing Goat]

Keep digging yourself a hole troll.

You don't even know you're a troll do you?

I'm really curious.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=BattlingNelson;13781332]Good. So now we know it was just some random assumption you pulled out of your ass.

Yeah. We cool.

Sure. just like your tandom assumptions "I thought he, like anybody else, pursued a fight with Tyson" and "As I recall, Tyson chose a Nielsen fight over Vitali back in 2001". Its all good though, Im, glad you're feeling better!

[crold1]

Agreed. He lost time waiting for Lewis to fullfill his mandatory obligations and he lost time because of injuries. Certainly his resume could be better and probably also better than his brothers, but it is what it is.

Cliff, do you personally operate with a strict defintion of ATG?

I think it's fluid and there are tiers of greatness. I think Vitali is a tough out for a lot of great Heavies. That said, his best wins are mediocre and he never unified with any of the other top guys. The most one can do in a weaker era is do trie beat to clean it out. Wlad has and I think he ultimately developed into the better peak fighter. Vitali is a great fighter, maybe top 25. He has NO case for top ten.

[crold1]

The Ring ratings aren't gospel though, although I do respect their rankings most of the time.

They completely ignored the LHW lineage created by Henry Maske v Virgil Hill, eventually won by Darius Michelzewski. And awarded their belt to Roy Jones without him having to face Michelzewski.

If it wasn't for Erdie's inactivity, Edwin Rodriguez (Ward's next opponent) would actually be the lineal LHW champ.

Erdei vacating the BO pretty much vacated his lineal claim. He moved up and changed his mind later, but he formally left the class for a while.

[crold1]

Hmmm. Johnson was no. 8 in ring magazines year end rankings of 2002. In 2003 he beat Savarese before losing to Vitali so he was probably ranked.

I'll double check. Believe he slipped out.

[LacedUp]

I said he beat a top ten rated heavyweights. I can't recall when Chisora was in the top ten but he has been at one point.

Now, that said, back to where we were. Prove that those fighters were never in the top ten.

Not only that, you and I both know there's not ten heavyweights out there that can beat Chisora right now anyways.

This debate is pointless for you. You're just plain ignorant.

Yeah, top ten rated. Since usually when you say top ten rated, you refer to the ring ratings and not your fictional made-up rankings. Chisora was never ever ever included in the top ten rankings. Though he criminally missed out on this month's top 10.

But that doesn't matter, Chisora is not the same fighter now as he was when he lost to Vitali. When he lost to Vitali he was a #15-20 at best.

[Boxing Goat]

I think that Mercer was far better in the mid 1990s around 30 years old than when he was 40. Some fighters peak early such as an Arturo Gatti and Mike Tyson. (Either cause of style, injury, drugs/lifestyle, mental instability, whatever) Others have a much longer prime (Roy Jones) until age finally takes away their other-worldly reflexes; and still others such as Hopkins use guile to extend their career even further

Mercer was a gate-keeper when he fought WK. He was no longer a contender to the heavyweight crown.

The post that started this was in comparing the contenders during the 1990s with the contenders today - not 2004 or whenever WK and Mercer fought. (Just checked boxrec it was 2002).

WK has good wins. I'm not knocking him. But - the thread is about how good VKs resume is.

You think and that's my point.

Thinking is not a fact, so stop treating it like it is.

[BattlingNelson]

I think it's fluid and there are tiers of greatness. I think Vitali is a tough out for a lot of great Heavies. That said, his best wins are mediocre and he never unified with any of the other top guys. The most one can do in a weaker era is do trie beat to clean it out. Wlad has and I think he ultimately developed into the better peak fighter. Vitali is a great fighter, maybe top 25. He has NO case for top ten.

In terms of all time Id probably have him around 20. I personally would not consider such a rank worthy of the ATG tag, but sometimes it's frustrating when the tag gets thrown around and people define it in highly diverse ways. I was hoping you'd have some sort of quantification lol.

[LacedUp]

You don't even know you're a troll do you?

I'm really curious.

Show me one thing I posted that would equate to trolling please.

Or is it my job to prove you wrong on this one as well?