Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[JAB5239]

You know a lot about boxing. I'm truely sad that you are now just a petty troll. Now stay off my back and discuss things with Weltschmuckz. You and him are made for each other.

Im the petty troll? You're the one following me in EVERY Klit thread I post in. You're the one who will ask question after question trying to get his way but refusing to answer any. You want me to "stay off your back"? Fine. Don't respond to me, don't talk about me. Whats truly sad is that another persons opinion and facts provided could make you so angry.

[JAB5239]

You didn't prove a damn thing. You or any other d*ckhead idiot on here. You just keep spouting off bias hateful opinions.

I said they were top ten based on he seeing the actual rankings every week for the last 12+ years. That is my argument that Vitali is doing what he's supposed to do as a dominant champion.You can't dispute it so F OFF already.

I'm done schooling you. You just can't accept it because you must have eaten paint chips as a child or something.

By fighting second rate contenders? Is it not a FACT Wlad has fought the vast majority of top contenders and not Vits?

Don't worry I know you're not gonna answer because you can't!

[Boxing Goat]

Hyde and Johnson were not rated by ring when Vit fought them if memory serves.

As I said before, I'm not 100% on Hide since that was an assumption since he was a titleholder with more than a couple defenses, but I know Kirk Johnson was ranked in the top ten. Plus, he was Mandatory to the WBC belt.

[JAB5239]

Keep digging yourself a hole troll.

Lol, no **** huh? Mercer wasn't even dedicated in his prime. I remember with him pleading with Jesse Ferguson to lay down in a fight he was winning so Ray would lose his title shot!

[Grimmer]

As I said before, I'm not 100% on Hide since that was an assumption since he was a titleholder with more than a coupld defenses

Hide's WBO title is just as prestigious as Vitali's WBC.

[LacedUp]

Lol, no **** huh? Mercer wasn't even dedicated in his prime. I remember with him pleading with Jesse Ferguson to lay down in a fight he was winning so Ray would lose his title shot!

I know, I don't even know why this guy would elevate the Mercer win, when Mercer in his prime, as I remember him, was a solid tough guy, but nothing more. He lost when he stepped it up.

Wlad's best win of the time was Chris Byrd.

[bklynboy]

I can't ignore matchup issues. No way guys like Corbett, Tunney, Walcott, beat Vitali. I think both Ks beat most of the legit Heavy champs pre-Liston, minus Louis who I think beats both.

I think Tunney and Walcott would be difficult fights for both VK and WK. I'm not saying that they would lose - only that it would be difficult. I think Schmeling and Max Baer would also be good fights. And you didn't mention Dempsey or Johnson

It's really hard to compare eras. Would you have VK go back in time, make much less money, have to fight when hurt (thinking of Braddock here) and have much different judging and refs. When you got a TKO loss in 1950s or earlier you were taking some serious punishment. Fights were not stopped quickly as they are today.

Or would you have the fighters of yesteryear fight 12 round fights, have 4-8 months between fights? It's hard to compare and weight is not the end-all-be-all. Especially as much of these modern "big" heavyweights are fat and out of shape. Arreola should have been at least 20 pounds, if not 30 pounds lighter when he took on VK.

[Boxing Goat]

The Ring ratings aren't gospel though, although I do respect their rankings most of the time.

They completely ignored the LHW lineage created by Henry Maske v Virgil Hill, eventually won by Darius Michelzewski. And awarded their belt to Roy Jones without him having to face Michelzewski.

If it wasn't for Erdie's inactivity, Edwin Rodriguez (Ward's next opponent) would actually be the lineal LHW champ.

It's not that they are the end all , be all rankings but they are the only ones that bridge the gap between sanctioning bodies and they are the ones the whole debate was based on when I brought up how many top ten ranked opponents Vitali beat, which proves that his resume' is not as weak as some perceive.

That's what the whole thread is about. FYI.

[Boxing Goat]

Yeah, top ten rated. Since usually when you say top ten rated, you refer to the ring ratings and not your fictional made-up rankings. Chisora was never ever ever included in the top ten rankings. Though he criminally missed out on this month's top 10.

But that doesn't matter, Chisora is not the same fighter now as he was when he lost to Vitali. When he lost to Vitali he was a #15-20 at best.

Okay then, pull up every months top ten ring rankings and post them. Then and only then will you be able to prove that he has never been rated in the top ten.

You are speaking out of you a55 and everybody knows it.
You don't know **** and you're an a55hole to boot.

[JAB5239]

Yeah, but then again. His brother held all the belts except WBA and Vitali tried but couldn't get Valuev or Haye in the ring. It takes two to tango.

Depending on who you believe he didn't get either of those fights because of unreasonable demands. But the point remains he didn't take on many other top fighters instead leaving them to his brother.