Is there really any fighter in boxing history that is unquestionably

[J The UnBiased]

Throw Floyd in the Leonard Hern era he would have lost a few times, but he would have also won because he would probably have fought them twice

Either way he would have been elite and a top contender in that era

I agree. If Floyd fought in there era, and was active, a loss would be imminent. Having said that, he still would have been one of the better fighters of that era due to redemption matchups.

[IronDanHamza]

I've pick him against anyone at 130.

135, huge talent pool. Competitive with most but could see a lot beating him.

147, the natural, big ATG WW's will obviously have some people beating him.

[Khalid X]

Losses (even KO losses) don't diminish a fighter's legacy. That's idiotic NSB fanboy logic.

Was Roy Jones's career any less impressive after being KO'd by Tarver and Johnson?

Was Ali's career any less impressive after being humiliated by Holmes?

Was Roberto Duran looked upon as a lesser fighter after losing 3 of his final 5 fights?

No, no, and no.

Pacquiao's greatness is no longer in question with anybody other than Floyd f*gs who try to diminish his acccomplishments in some lame attempt to build Floyd's (less impressive ones) up.

They're BOTH ATGs.

I agree with you on this. However, I'm a huge Pacquiao fan and I still feel he needs to redeem himself.

Since you brought up Roy, I think Pacquiao situation is similar. Prior to Roy getting KO, he was being hyped as a top 10 ATG. If he would have just ended his career after the Ruiz win people would have him higher than they do. Now that loss doesn't take away from his accomplishments and we will remember him when he was in his prime, but losses do affect your legacy....even if it's a tad bit.

Pacquiao is still and ATG, HOF etc....and we will remember Pacquiao for his wins against Morales, Barrera, Cotto etc.....but I just can't see him ending his career with that Marquez KO and a bull**** win against Rios.

That's why I say he needs to redeem himself. That KO loss does hurt legacy....maybe not too much, but it will be definitely something people remember if doesn't go out and beat JMM or get another impressive win.

I think your talking as if a KO loss to Marquez makes him a bum/overhyped etc....and yeah that is fan boy talk. What I'm referencing to is just him dropping a few spots on the ATG list. A small drop in his legacy....nothing major if that makes sense.

[ßringer]

You can argue both of their resume's all day. That's not going to change. My biggest argument against Pacquiao is the Marquez saga ranked up against the Floyd/Marquez fight. Marquez was robbed at least twice and then vindicated it in the end. Floyd on the other hand made a mockery of the dude. Pacquiao was a great fighter and that fight should have happened as should a Paul Williams fight but you can't deny the talent. Sure he may not act like what you deem a true champion should act and go out and try to look for a battle but he doesn't need to. The ******* said many times that its just about the money; its a business. That being said, competition in the 80's was way more tough than it is today. I think Hagler destroys everyone today including Floyd.

Floyd made a mockery of a lightweight at welterweight. Marquez was fat as **** in that fight against Floyd, don't even act like he wasn't.

I'm not saying Floyd should get no credit for that win, I'm just saying that to use that one fight (in which Marquez was totally unprepared for) as a reason to place Floyd above Manny in terms of accomplishments is laughably absurd.

I agree with your bit about the competition in boxing being better years back, though. Hell, even the 90s were more competitive and grueling than these pretenders we have today. But you take what you can get, unfortunately.

[T18Z]

You can argue both of their resume's all day. That's not going to change. My biggest argument against Pacquiao is the Marquez saga ranked up against the Floyd/Marquez fight. Marquez was robbed at least twice and then vindicated it in the end. Floyd on the other hand made a mockery of the dude. Pacquiao was a great fighter and that fight should have happened as should a Paul Williams fight but you can't deny the talent. Sure he may not act like what you deem a true champion should act and go out and try to look for a battle but he doesn't need to. The ******* said many times that its just about the money; its a business. That being said, competition in the 80's was way more tough than it is today. I think Hagler destroys everyone today including Floyd.

Cmon dude, the Marquez fights weren't robberies, Pacquaio vs Bradley was a robbery, but don't act like each fight couldn't of went either way. It's only a robbery because fans so desperately wanted Marquez to "finally" win.

Pacquaio destroyed Cotto, who did the best of any fighter recently vs Mayweather.

Mayweather took what? 10 rounds to deal with Hatton? Pacquaio took less than 3.

Mayweather went split decision with Oscar, Pacquaio made him quit on his stool.

Mosley nearly dropped Mayweather, Pacquaio dropped the iron chinned Mosley.

See where I'm going with this? Don't use Marquez performance vs Mayweather as a way to discredit Pacquaio, it's very unfair.

[flat1985]

Roy Jones JR, Bernard Hopkins, Sergio Martinez


If they were more his size of course to make it more fair

LOL Martinez would get white washed even with the weight advantage, Different levels

[J The UnBiased]

You really need to change your user name. Only someone supremely biased would claim "Floyd is the most skilled and complete fighter to ever grace this sport". Just no.

My man, you back?

[J The UnBiased]

No, your opinion on anything boxing related is what's truly laughable.

Aren't you the same guy that started threads in regards to Canelo's ****? Bye.

[Poet682006]

My man, you back?

I never left. You, though, went off on a tangent talking about your non-existant ****. Although it's pretty clear that you know a lot more about ****s than you do about boxing.

[Reloaded]

Floyd made a mockery of a lightweight at welterweight. Marquez was fat as **** in that fight against Floyd, don't even act like he wasn't.

I'm not saying Floyd should get no credit for that win, I'm just saying that to use that one fight (in which Marquez was totally unprepared for) as a reason to place Floyd above Manny in terms of accomplishments is laughably absurd.

I agree with your bit about the competition in boxing being better years back, though. Hell, even the 90s were more competitive and grueling than these pretenders we have today. But you take what you can get, unfortunately.

But but but but but , Marquez and his trainers opinion out weighs yours by a country mile , they both want nothing to do with fighting Floyd again even after stiffening Manny they still don't want Floyd , now just have a little think about that for one second !!