Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[Jedi Vader]

Difference is that noone wanted to see tyson-lennox rematch. It would be one-sided and even worse than the first fight. Basically a payday for Tyson.

On the other hand Vitali-Lennox rematch would be a fight without clear favorite.

p.s. Lennox made a right decision to retire on that win. He could gain more props by beating vitali more decisively but risk/award ratio wasn't there IMO.

You've finally said something worth reading.

[JAB5239]

Haye and Pulev are both real good and would have been in any era and you know it...or maybe you don't and you really are ******ed.

This is a terribly ignorant thing to say considering the have less than 25 fights between them at heavyweight and haven't proved they can be "real good" in this era let alone a decent one. At this point neither would make much of an impact in 70's, 80's or 90's.

[JAB5239]

Today's heavy division without the Klit bros would be horrible...

Remember the Golden Era of heavy's with Byrd, Ruiz, Rahman, quendo, golata, mccline...

thats probably the type of division we would have....
povetkin a champ that only fights in russia
haye would still generate big fights
adamek would probably be milking a belt
arreola would have won one,,,
no dominant champ, and everyone whining that none of these guys are dominant,, everyone wishing there was a unified dominant champ...

It would be the 80's again with out Holmes or the skill levels of the fighters from that era.

[Jedi Vader]

This is a terribly ignorant thing to say considering the have less than 25 fights between them at heavyweight and haven't proved they can be "real good" in this era let alone a decent one. At this point neither would make much of an impact in 70's, 80's or 90's.

It's all said to make the Klit's look and sound better resume wise.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

It would be the 80's again with out Holmes or the skill levels of the fighters from that era.

yes, take away holmes and tyson,, and it would be like the 80's,, even though i think tim witherspoon was better than anyone today

[JAB5239]

yes, take away holmes and tyson,, and it would be like the 80's,, even though i think tim witherspoon was better than anyone today

Skillwise I think Dokes, Spoon and several others were better than anyone today outside the bros. Todays division stinks. No head movement, body punching, movement, feinting, 4 and 5 punch combinations...just a lot of grabbing, holding and heavy breathing.

[JAB5239]

It's all said to make the Klit's look and sound better resume wise.

It's all propaganda to get people to see what they want them to see instead of the truth.

[LacedUp]

Difference is that noone wanted to see tyson-lennox rematch. It would be one-sided and even worse than the first fight. Basically a payday for Tyson.

On the other hand Vitali-Lennox rematch would be a fight without clear favorite.

p.s. Lennox made a right decision to retire on that win. He could gain more props by beating vitali more decisively but risk/award ratio wasn't there IMO.

I agree with everything you say my man. But the fella was trying to make something unique out of the situation.

Fact is, if someone asks you to do a rematch because it was close or both are big names, a fighter is not going to say no on the spot. Simple as that.

Far too much has been put into what Lennox said in his post fight interview.

[hitman smax]

No they wouldn't. We've seen them fight lesser fighters than the Klits and they look like garbage in those fights too.

Poet

Styles make fights, so ofcourse different fighters are going to match up with other fighters differently.

What you fail to get here is that the Klitschko brothers have all been deflated the hopes and motivations of other up and coming fighters around the league, so you aren't seeing other fighters the way you would if two physically imposing walls weren't ultimately in the way.

They are dominating the heavyweight division, and have, for so long, that it's become relatively hopeless.

Even George Foreman said that there are as many talented heavyweight now as ever before, there just aren't as many accomplished heavweights.

Bottom line: most of the heavyweights you probably admire from, and throughout history, would be defeated by either of the Klitschkos'.

Once Wlad came into his own, he became boxing's most dominant force, and he'd likely been able to do the same in any era.

[hitman smax]

Thank you. As much as I think the Klits are overrated, especially vitali, its without question they are uplifting the division.

With them the division is at its worst since the early 1980's. Without them, the division is as weak as the worst division at any time in modern boxing history.

Imagine a world where Tony Thompson and Povetkin are the best HWT's?

ererererellgghhhhh, I just threw up in my mouth.

You are wrong. Without the Klitschko's, guys like David Haye, Chris Aereola, Derrick Chisora, and a number of others, would be engaging in a power struggle for control of the heavyweight division. And, because there would be no clear dominant force, the division would be perceived to be prosperous and highly competitive.

It's dominance that makes a weight division look weak. That's why Tyson, Marciano, and now the Klitschko era's are all considered weak while Ali, Holyfield, and Lewis era's are considered strong.