Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[LacedUp]

Vitalli is the only person Lewis verbally agreed to rematch and then backed out. In fact, Lewis was so adament about not rematching Vitalli that he actually introduced him to his sobbing and scared mother as a way of excusing himself from fighting Vitalli.

Go and watch the Mike Tyson postfight interview.

[StarshipTrooper]

Without Vitali Klitschko, and his brother, a lot of today's heavyweights would seem great.

No they wouldn't. We've seen them fight lesser fighters than the Klits and they look like garbage in those fights too.

Poet

[The Big Dunn]

No they wouldn't. We've seen them fight lesser fighters than the Klits and they look like garbage in those fights too.

Poet

Thank you. As much as I think the Klits are overrated, especially vitali, its without question they are uplifting the division.

With them the division is at its worst since the early 1980's. Without them, the division is as weak as the worst division at any time in modern boxing history.

Imagine a world where Tony Thompson and Povetkin are the best HWT's?

ererererellgghhhhh, I just threw up in my mouth.

[Simurgh]

Go and watch the Mike Tyson postfight interview.

Difference is that noone wanted to see tyson-lennox rematch. It would be one-sided and even worse than the first fight. Basically a payday for Tyson.

On the other hand Vitali-Lennox rematch would be a fight without clear favorite.

p.s. Lennox made a right decision to retire on that win. He could gain more props by beating vitali more decisively but risk/award ratio wasn't there IMO.

[SOLARflare]

Thank you. As much as I think the Klits are overrated, especially vitali, its without question they are uplifting the division.

With them the division is at its worst since the early 1980's. Without them, the division is as weak as the worst division at any time in modern boxing history.

Imagine a world where Tony Thompson and Povetkin are the best HWT's?

ererererellgghhhhh, I just threw up in my mouth.

Haye and Pulev are the next best heavyweights. It hurts your agenda to say that, though.

[The Big Dunn]

Haye and Pulev are the next best heavyweights. It hurts your agenda to say that, though.

What agenda? So replace thompson and povetkin with Haye and Pulev. Does that change what I posted? The 2 best hwt's would be 22-1 combined with the best win being a TKO of chisora. wow

Haye is a blown up cruiser who is 5-1 at hwt and looked pathetic against wlad. Very few people outside of Germany can name anyone Pulev beat.

[SOLARflare]

What agenda? So replace thompson and povetkin with Haye and Pulev. Does that change what I posted? The 2 best hwt's would be 22-1 combined with the best win being a TKO of chisora. wow

Haye is a blown up cruiser who is 5-1 at hwt and looked pathetic against wlad. Very few people outside of Germany can name anyone Pulev beat.

Haye and Pulev are both real good and would have been in any era and you know it...or maybe you don't and you really are ******ed.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Today's heavy division without the Klit bros would be horrible...

Remember the Golden Era of heavy's with Byrd, Ruiz, Rahman, quendo, golata, mccline...

thats probably the type of division we would have....
povetkin a champ that only fights in russia
haye would still generate big fights
adamek would probably be milking a belt
arreola would have won one,,,
no dominant champ, and everyone whining that none of these guys are dominant,, everyone wishing there was a unified dominant champ...

[The Big Dunn]

Haye and Pulev are both real good and would have been in any era and you know it...or maybe you don't and you really are ******ed.

Name calling is usually a sign of not being able to support your argument with any factual evidence.

Pulev is 17-0 and very few can name anyone he's defeated. That you are suggesting he is the 4th best hwt right now illustrates the paucity of the division. How can you become the 4th best hwt in the world when you haven't beaten anyone in the top 75?

I agree with you that Haye is a good fighter. He was a geat crusier. He has 5 wins at hwt.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But to say they'd be ranked as high in any era is a stretch, especially Pulev.

[JAB5239]

Haye and Pulev are the next best heavyweights. It hurts your agenda to say that, though.

Pulev may be, its very difficult to tell with only 17 fights. And if he is the next best fighter what does that say for the division that someone with so little experience can actually be at the top? It says the division is terribly weak. As far as Haye goes....Klit fans are funny. In one post they'll tell you how good he is, in another how overrated he is.