Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[DreamFighter]

uhuu, you're stretching it a bit there mr Erhman.

I agree with that completely, Ken would get bored after a 2 years of earning nothing after successively KOing unfit fat boys from lower weight divisions - no challenge in it - he would surely quit boxing to go earn millions in American football.

No way Ken would bother to keep fighting dud-bags each year nor try to con his fans into believing he was making legit defences.

[Weltschmerz]

The blatant insulting is not acceptable. If you want to embarrass the TS go the Bat route - craft a good argument to the topic...

Just as it is not acceptable to make blatant insults of another well known poster about his illness. If you are trying to embarrass other people in public about their disease, you are sick. You know this case, by the way.

[New England]

You're right on Vitali.

If you're 26 you shouldn't look like Jab also. Godspeed

i am rather robust, actually. full head of hair, too.

[hitman smax]

Lol at this post. Getting your face smashed to bits by another man's punch is a fluke injury now?

Yup. Fluke injury. No doubt about it.

Beating 'former' champions is impressive? Anyone can dig up Hasim Rahman and beat him one more time - would that be great? beating 'current' champions is impressive.

Are you suggesting that Vitali has ducked anyone?

No? That's what I thought.

And OK i'll bite. George Foreman won his lineal titles when 45, defending it for 3 years before losing it to Shannon Briggs in his 4th defense.

Nice try, but Foreman was stripped of his IBF and WBA title for refusing to face mandatories.

But, by all means, don't let that stop you from using it to undermine the accomplishment of an actual world title holder who's met the terms of his responsibilties as a defending champion.

It's amazing how many Klitschko-haters there are. I wonder what's really behind all that?

LOL.

[StarshipTrooper]

Yup. Fluke injury. No doubt about it.

Yeah, cuz getting punched repeatedly in the face is a fluke.....riiiiiight :bull****9:

Poet

[hitman smax]

Yeah, cuz getting punched repeatedly in the face is a fluke.....riiiiiight :bull****9:

Poet

Says you. Klitschko was the one beating Lewis and landing repeatedly. Maybe should watch the fight instead of reading about it.

Klitschko was:

Winning 4 rounds to 2 on all three scorecards, and had a decisive advantage in all three categories of punch stats:

Klitschko
Jabs: 77/240
Power: 79/192
Total: 156/432


Lewis
Jabs: 52/120
Power: 50/102
Total: 102/222


The injury was a fluke that repeated head clashes, provoked by a tired a desperate Lennox Lewis, undoubtedly contributed to.

Lewis was in serious trouble in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Regardless, the injury was under control and Klitschko wanted to continue:

"He is a great fighter. I won this fight in points," Klitschko said. "I want a rematch. I showed everybody that I can fight Lennox Lewis. I can see very well, I don't know why the doctor stopped the fight. Right now I feel like the people's champion, I did not want them to stop the fight. My strategy was to take it into the seventh or eighth round and my strategy was working perfectly."

Hardly the words of a beaten man, but keep on hating. Vitali has been laughing all the way to the bank ever since, and no one has heard a peep out of Lennox, who has no desire whatsoever to engage in battle with either one of the Klitschko's.

Cheer up, Vitali and Wlad are bound to both be retired within the next 5 years, and then maybe you can be happy with a much weaker champion.

[r.burgundy]

foreman and shavers punch much harder than either klitschko. in his prime vitali could punch, but today he hardly puts anything on his shots. wladimir is a big puncher, but a lot of guys have been walking through his right hands lately, causing me to question its effectiveness slightly. he clearly doesn't pucnch as hard as shavers and foreman. i'd say he's on a similar tier in power to cooney. again, cooney and shavers stopped norton at the very end of his career.


he was quite aggressive in both fights. in the brewster fight he was extremely aggressive. now i'm not sure that you're reading the posts, as i pointed out explicitly that wladimir's only begun to fight passively since the brewster fight. you're losing me, kid. i'm having a hard time taking your posts seriously at this point. you want me to talk boxing with you if you're a real fan of the sport. ask around.


let me guess, you think a win over sanders is better than a win over ali in '73?


i don't mind if we don't agree, but i can't take you seriously if you're gonna act the fanboy.

no they dont punch much harder than either klitscho.that is plain silly and baseless.manny steward said the klits are some of the hardest punching heavys of all time.their k.o ratio proves that.shavers was more an explosive puncher but thats about it.and norton was also stopped early in his career by garcia,who is in nowhere near the class of puncher that klits,shavers,foreman are. so stop acting like norton only got kod when he was past his prime,as if he didnt get ko'd twice in his prime.and norton and shavers are only 2 years apart so its not like shavers was a spring chicken

alot of guys such as who?he has 4 ko's in his last 6 and haye ran the entire fight.that chambers k.o was 1 of the hardest ive seen

1st of all,maybe you need to go back and reread your post "kid".nowhere in your post did you mention the brewster fight or when he began to fight passively lol.
2nd of all im older than you and clearly more knowledegable on ken norton as all you seem to walk about is his win over ali

again you are only proving your lack of knowledge.we all know ali is a better win than anybody on either klits resume.so let me ask you a simple question.who has beat more top guys,klits or norton?i hate to break it to you chief,but ali still only counts as 1 win,even though he deserves 2 wins.so stop being a fan boy of an ear you didnt witness and tell me which guy beat more top fighters.i'll wait

[r.burgundy]

Says you. Klitschko was the one beating Lewis and landing repeatedly. Maybe should watch the fight instead of reading about it.

Klitschko was:

Winning 4 rounds to 2 on all three scorecards, and had a decisive advantage in all three categories of punch stats:

Klitschko
Jabs: 77/240
Power: 79/192
Total: 156/432


Lewis
Jabs: 52/120
Power: 50/102
Total: 102/222


The injury was a fluke that repeated head clashes, provoked by a tired a desperate Lennox Lewis, undoubtedly contributed to.

Lewis was in serious trouble in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Regardless, the injury was under control and Klitschko wanted to continue:

"He is a great fighter. I won this fight in points," Klitschko said. "I want a rematch. I showed everybody that I can fight Lennox Lewis. I can see very well, I don't know why the doctor stopped the fight. Right now I feel like the people's champion, I did not want them to stop the fight. My strategy was to take it into the seventh or eighth round and my strategy was working perfectly."

Hardly the words of a beaten man, but keep on hating. Vitali has been laughing all the way to the bank ever since, and no one has heard a peep out of Lennox, who has no desire whatsoever to engage in battle with either one of the Klitschko's.

Cheer up, Vitali and Wlad are bound to both be retired within the next 5 years, and then maybe you can be happy with a much weaker champion.

to be fair,lennox was really coming on at the time of the stoppage.i personally thought he was on his way to stopping vitali.lewis looked alot fresher and i dont think vit could see his punches coming.and vit was cut by the lace on lewis glove.it had raked across his eye really hard when lewis had missed a punch

[StarshipTrooper]

Says you. Klitschko was the one beating Lewis and landing repeatedly. Maybe should watch the fight instead of reading about it.

Klitschko was:

Winning 4 rounds to 2 on all three scorecards, and had a decisive advantage in all three categories of punch stats:

Klitschko
Jabs: 77/240
Power: 79/192
Total: 156/432


Lewis
Jabs: 52/120
Power: 50/102
Total: 102/222


The injury was a fluke that repeated head clashes, provoked by a tired a desperate Lennox Lewis, undoubtedly contributed to.

Lewis was in serious trouble in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Regardless, the injury was under control and Klitschko wanted to continue:

"He is a great fighter. I won this fight in points," Klitschko said. "I want a rematch. I showed everybody that I can fight Lennox Lewis. I can see very well, I don't know why the doctor stopped the fight. Right now I feel like the people's champion, I did not want them to stop the fight. My strategy was to take it into the seventh or eighth round and my strategy was working perfectly."

Hardly the words of a beaten man, but keep on hating. Vitali has been laughing all the way to the bank ever since, and no one has heard a peep out of Lennox, who has no desire whatsoever to engage in battle with either one of the Klitschko's.

Cheer up, Vitali and Wlad are bound to both be retired within the next 5 years, and then maybe you can be happy with a much weaker champion.

And now, if Klitlicker logic holds true to form, we'll get the conspiracies over Lennox having razor blades hidden in his dreads and how Wlad was poisoned ect ect ect :hahahaha9:

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE]

You just keep on ducking my points. According to you a fighter has to be top 20 all-time at HW to be an ATG. On your ATG HW list Vitali JUST misses the cut.

You haven't made a single point nor answered any of my questions. Answer the question asked in the poll, explain yourself, and maybe I'll grace the single question you keep trying in vain to hammer away with. And please, show me where I said a fighter has to be top 20 all time to be an ATG. You can't because I only said its reasonable considering that's how the IBRO does it. And again, please show me the heavyweight list I provided as my own. You can't because you're now just flat out lying while trying to gain support for you non-existent argument.

An ATG is per definition hightly subjective and still you got the nerve to ridicule those who rank Vitali as say no. 20 while you yourself on that highly subjective list has him JUST outside. Talk about being a hippocrite.

When did I say ATG wasn't subjective? and show me where I've ridiculed ONE person ranking him 20th?: You won't because you're making up lies again, like trying to say I rank him just outside twenty. I never said that, I said he probably just misses the cut. The IBRO has 10 names "just missing the cut", so good ole Vits could very well be well outside the top 25 on my list for all you know, you idiot. And if you want to talk about hypocrisy (notice the spelling) lets talk about you trying to slam me for not answering your question while you have avoided every single one of mine in favor of trolling, lying and repeatedly insulting me. So aren't you just the pot calling the kettle black.