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  • #71
    Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
    Cotto just started fighting in 01 and was still building his brand. Yes, he was green in 05. Mayweather had alreadly been in the game almost 10 years at that time with major Olympic experience.

    So again, I ask you, who else should Cotto have fought outside of those he already has?

    In my book, he has lived up to the hype. He was like a modern day Golovkin at the time pre-margarito. But like anything, people always wait 'til a guy loses or is on a losing streak to discredit him and forget what he was like "at the time" which out weighs retrospectiveness.

    Same thing happened to Roy, Tyson and will happen to Floyd if he decides to stick around long enough.
    Cotto's not nearly as shot as Roy and Tyson were at certain points of losing all the time. Cott ostill has another year or two in my opinion. Cotto just lost to better fighters in Floyd and Trout.

    At 140 he could have fought Harris, Hatton, or Mayweather. At 154 he could have fought Cintron instead of Foreman. Or how about this.....Cotto could have fought actual title holders to win his titles. The only title holder he won a title from was Foreman.

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    • #72
      A list of Top 140 fighters from 2004-2005 that Cotto could have fought potentially

      Hatton
      Mayweather
      Mitchell
      Harris
      Witter was even ranked in the Top 10 in 2005. I left Tszyu off because he was injured basically almost all of 04', came back beat Mitchell, and lost to Hatton.

      Than at 154 he could have fought Cintron, who was #1 there in 2010, but he fought Foreman. In 2011 he could have fought Lara, Molina, Williams, or Angulo.

      So this notion that Cotto only fought the great fights unlike others is bull too.

      He fought Michael Jennings for a vacant title.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by 4Corners View Post
        A list of Top 140 fighters from 2004-2005 that Cotto could have fought potentially

        Hatton
        Mayweather
        Mitchell
        Harris
        Witter was even ranked in the Top 10 in 2005. I left Tszyu off because he was injured basically almost all of 04', came back beat Mitchell, and lost to Hatton.

        Than at 154 he could have fought Cintron, who was #1 there in 2010, but he fought Foreman. In 2011 he could have fought Lara, Molina, Williams, or Angulo.

        So this notion that Cotto only fought the great fights unlike others is bull too.

        He fought Michael Jennings for a vacant title.
        To be fair, cotto didnt really start taking soft opponents till after margs beat his brains in... From cotto's rise to the margs fight i think he fought a very tough schedule.
        And complaining about guys he should have fought at 140, i thought he fought plenty of good fighters at 140,,, undefeated maussa, chop-chop, undefeated torres, undefeated pauli,,, compare that to floyd's brusceles and gatti and chopchop

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        • #74
          Originally posted by 4Corners View Post
          Cotto's not nearly as shot as Roy and Tyson were at certain points of losing all the time. Cott ostill has another year or two in my opinion. Cotto just lost to better fighters in Floyd and Trout.

          At 140 he could have fought Harris, Hatton, or Mayweather. At 154 he could have fought Cintron instead of Foreman. Or how about this.....Cotto could have fought actual title holders to win his titles. The only title holder he won a title from was Foreman.
          Cotto has been shot since the Margarito fight. Hell, since before the Clottey fight. Cotto lost to a bigger Trout, sure. But what does that have to do with anything? He hasn't been the same since the first Margarito fight.

          Are you trying to say Cotto ducked Vivian Harris, Hatton and Mayweather???

          Dude, sometimes fights just don't happen. It doesn't mean the public called on them and one guy ducked the other; they just don't happen. But Cotto fought everyone put in front of him.

          Did Lennox Lewis duck Michael Moorer?

          Did Chavez duck Aaron Pryor?

          Some fights just don't happen, bruh. It's as simple as that. But given the way things went, at the time, the only big fight that didn't happen for Cotto was the Mayweather fight early 08.

          @ "Cotto could've fought Vivian Harris" as if that was some kind of duck or something.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by 4Corners View Post
            A list of Top 140 fighters from 2004-2005 that Cotto could have fought potentially

            Hatton
            Mayweather
            Mitchell
            Harris
            Witter was even ranked in the Top 10 in 2005. I left Tszyu off because he was injured basically almost all of 04', came back beat Mitchell, and lost to Hatton.

            Than at 154 he could have fought Cintron, who was #1 there in 2010, but he fought Foreman. In 2011 he could have fought Lara, Molina, Williams, or Angulo.

            So this notion that Cotto only fought the great fights unlike others is bull too.

            He fought Michael Jennings for a vacant title.
            Bruh, Cintron??? Are you serious?

            Why didn't Tyson fight George Foreman during both their comeback trails?

            Put simply, some fights just don't happen. But if you followed the sport back then, you would know that the guys you named weren't called upon or demanded from the public. You might be able to "google" a few articles like you're known to do or refer to boxrec, but you followed as it went, you'd know there was no one else for Cotto to fight at that time.

            Only big fight demanded from the public was Cotto-Mayweather early 08.

            Anyone can use google and boxrec to their advantage like you always try to do, but if you knew what was going on while it was going on, you wouldn't post like you post. Freaking Mitchel and Witter. You gotta be kidding right now.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
              Cotto has been shot since the Margarito fight. Hell, since before the Clottey fight. Cotto lost to a bigger Trout, sure. But what does that have to do with anything? He hasn't been the same since the first Margarito fight.

              Are you trying to say Cotto ducked Vivian Harris, Hatton and Mayweather???

              Dude, sometimes fights just don't happen. It doesn't mean the public called on them and one guy ducked the other; they just don't happen. But Cotto fought everyone put in front of him.

              Did Lennox Lewis duck Michael Moorer?

              Did Chavez duck Aaron Pryor?

              Some fights just don't happen, bruh. It's as simple as that. But given the way things went, at the time, the only big fight that didn't happen for Cotto was the Mayweather fight early 08.

              @ "Cotto could've fought Vivian Harris" as if that was some kind of duck or something.
              No, I really don't like to use the word duck.

              But you said what are some fights he could have fought that he didn't.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
                Bruh, Cintron??? Are you serious?

                Why didn't Tyson fight George Foreman during both their comeback trails?

                Put simply, some fights just don't happen. But if you followed the sport back then, you would know that the guys you named weren't called upon or demanded from the public. You might be able to "google" a few articles like you're known to do or refer to boxrec, but you followed as it went, you'd know there was no one else for Cotto to fight at that time.

                Only big fight demanded from the public was Cotto-Mayweather early 08.

                Anyone can use google and boxrec to their advantage like you always try to do, but if you knew what was going on while it was going on, you wouldn't post like you post. Freaking Mitchel and Witter. You gotta be kidding right now.
                I wasn't using the word duck homie.

                If Mayweather can be accused of ducking these guys at 140, than so can Cotto. But I'm not doing that.

                So Cintron wouldn't have been better in 2010 than Yuri Foreman??? Harris wouldn't have been better than others he fought at 140??? Mayweather and Hatton certainly would have been better.

                You said who are some guys that were there he could have fought but didn't. There was some.

                So there was no one else to fight at 140 aside from Paulie, Torres, Pinto, etc.???

                Do you think it's a coincidence that Cotto only beat one world title holder....???

                I'm not referring to boxrec or using google, so toss those insults somewhere else man.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by 4Corners View Post
                  No, I really don't like to use the word duck.

                  But you said what are some fights he could have fought that he didn't.
                  Ummmm, there's a difference between being active and just not fighting a guy as oppose to you and another guy being on the same path leading to the same cross point and not fighting.

                  Again, why didn't Tyson fight Foreman?

                  Lennox Lewis fight Moorer?

                  Chavez fight Pryor?

                  Sometimes schit just doesn't happen. You're making it out to be like Cotto should've fought the list of guys you named instead of the one's he fought as if the public was demanding something different.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
                    Ummmm, there's a difference between being active and just not fighting a guy as oppose to you and another guy being on the same path leading to the same cross point and not fighting.

                    Again, why didn't Tyson fight Foreman?

                    Lennox Lewis fight Moorer?

                    Chavez fight Pryor?

                    Sometimes schit just doesn't happen. You're making it out to be like Cotto should've fought the list of guys you named instead of the one's he fought as if the public was demanding something different.
                    No. I'm saying Cotto made a career fighting mid level fighters, fighting the a few good ones, losing to the top guys, and fighting more mid level fighters. What's untrue about that???

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by 4Corners View Post
                      I wasn't using the word duck homie.

                      If Mayweather can be accused of ducking these guys at 140, than so can Cotto. But I'm not doing that.

                      So Cintron wouldn't have been better in 2010 than Yuri Foreman??? Harris wouldn't have been better than others he fought at 140??? Mayweather and Hatton certainly would have been better.

                      You said who are some guys that were there he could have fought but didn't. There was some.

                      So there was no one else to fight at 140 aside from Paulie, Torres, Pinto, etc.???

                      Do you think it's a coincidence that Cotto only beat one world title holder....???

                      I'm not referring to boxrec or using google, so toss those insults somewhere else man.
                      First off Foreman was undefeated. Cintron was a joke at 154. He was KO'd by Martinez and jumped out the ring against Williams. A joke.

                      Paulie, Torres and Pinto were all undefeated prospects. Again, I'm not sure what you don't understand about the Hatton/Mayweather fights not being able to happen in 04/05 because Cotto was only boxing for 3-4 years. Mayweather/Hatton were going on 10 years in the game in 05. At that time, Those fight were mentioned as happening in the "future" which is what they went on to do until Floyd retired.

                      You're just proving to me that you're a boxrec champ. That's all.

                      It's all good.

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