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  • #51
    Originally posted by .WaRCoTTo. View Post
    Umm in 04/05 they were both 140lb title holders..


    There's been numerous reports even on here stating that Mayweather asked for it at 140 but bobby didn't want it..claiming Cotto was "too green"


    People always trying to pull someone's card on here smh..hence why I rarely even post
    See my post above yours. Cotto was too green. Look at Cotto in 04/05 then look at him in early 08. Two completely different fighters.

    But hey, you just proved my point. Why do you think Floyd asked for a fight in 04/05, but declined the fight in 08 referencing Cotto's fan base?

    If anything, Cotto's fan base was non existent in 04, but Floyd was willing to fight him. Cotto had more of a fan base in 08 than he did in 04, but Floyd wanted the 04 version

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    • #52
      Originally posted by El Angel View Post
      Are we counting his "win" over Mayweather? I'm not going to, he didn't technically win that fight. Castillo's wins are over good fighters, but are they a level up, other than Corrales and Casamayor? No, they're good mid level fighters, the ones you say Cotto's resume is filled with. Mosley is the best win on either fighter's resume, excluding Mayweather.

      Corrales' best wins are not close to the Mosley win in terms of quality. They are about equal to Clottey or Quintana wins.

      Cotto beat Bazan too, that isn't a particulary impressive win for Castillo.
      Castillo beat Bazan when Bazan was actually a Top 5 Lightweight.

      Corrales is about equal to Cotto, maybe you give Cotto a slight edge because he beat Mosley who proved against Margarito that he still could beat good fighters.

      Castillo is a slam dunk. So because he didn't technically win, do you not count Whitaker beating Chavez??? Do you count Bradley beating Pacquiao???

      Castillo was the best Lightweight of his era, beat every top guy while he was there. Johnston, Lazcano, Corrales, and Mayweather were all highly ranked Lightweights, and guys like Bazan and J. Diaz were also Top 10 Lightweights too.

      The highest ranking guy Cotto ever beat as Mosley, who was like #3 at the time at 147. Cotto never came close to beating a #1 fighter in any division he was in.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by .WaRCoTTo. View Post
        Cotto-Hatton at 140 would've been awesome
        Cotto-Mayweather at 140 woulda been good but there was Bob


        Those are the only ones I wished woulda happened that didnt
        Both were good fights but the one I really wanted was Cotto vs. Gatti. That's the one that I wished would have happened.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
          See my post above yours. Cotto was too green. Look at Cotto in 04/05 then look at him in early 08. Two completely different fighters.

          But hey, you just proved my point. Why do you think Floyd asked for a fight in 04/05, but declined the fight in 08 referencing Cotto's fan base?

          If anything, Cotto's fan base was non existent in 04, but Floyd was willing to fight him. Cotto had more of a fan base in 08 than he did in 04, but Floyd wanted the 04 version
          I guess you're also blind....funny how Floyd and Bob Arum haven't done work AT ALL since their split. The guys he supposedly ducked that had any weight to the argument, Margarito/Pacquiao/Cotto, ALL Top Rank guys.

          When Floyd and Cotto were both Top Rank fighters and Top ranked guys at 140, Arum wanted nothing to do with that fight. When Floyd splits from Arum, the duck stuff happens. When Cotto splits from Arum, the fight is made. It's no coincidence. Floyd will never work with Bob Arum, the closest he came was 2010 when Manny and co. ducked testing.

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          • #55
            alot of talk about cotto vs hatton at 140...

            If that fight ever happened Cotto would destroy hatton...

            Hatton was a beast in his day at 140 but cotto was a step higher in terms of skill..

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            • #56
              Originally posted by El Angel View Post
              Yeah after Floyd moved up. If Floyd or Pacquiao fought in Castillo's weight class then, he wouldn't be remembered as the best anything either.
              IF.....IF....IF......IF I had a square ass, I'd s**t bricks. But I don't.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by The Weebler II View Post
                lol this thread was always coming back to Floyd with you.

                Cotto was the first to stop Corley, first to beat and stop Torres, first to beat and stop Quintana, first to beat Malignaggi in his prime.


                Corley wasn't undefeated when Floyd fought him, he had been beaten on points before and he even hurt Mayweather who did not stop him.

                Gatti was pretty shopworn by the time Mayweather fought him, a shadow of his former self.

                Baldomir was a weak champion who had lost many times and Judah had just lost to Baldo (Judah's not a great win for Cotto either).
                Their about the level of wins though. What is a good win for one guy isn't for another, that's just dumb.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by 4Corners View Post
                  I guess you're also blind....funny how Floyd and Bob Arum haven't done work AT ALL since their split. The guys he supposedly ducked that had any weight to the argument, Margarito/Pacquiao/Cotto, ALL Top Rank guys.

                  When Floyd and Cotto were both Top Rank fighters and Top ranked guys at 140, Arum wanted nothing to do with that fight. When Floyd splits from Arum, the duck stuff happens. When Cotto splits from Arum, the fight is made. It's no coincidence. Floyd will never work with Bob Arum, the closest he came was 2010 when Manny and co. ducked testing.
                  Please show me one article, just 1, where Floyd referenced the Cotto fight in early 08 not being made because Bob Arum. I can show you several articles of Floyd's reasoning for the fight not happening due to Cotto's fan base and living too far.

                  People act as if we can't have two separate reasons for the fight not happening at different times.

                  Pac - Floyd not happening 09-12 = PED testing and Bob Arum.

                  Floyd - Cotto not happening in 08 = Cotto lives to far, not big enough fan base, re-match with DLH and retirement.

                  I have articles to back my claims. I'm not just pulling stuff out my ass.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
                    alot of talk about cotto vs hatton at 140...

                    If that fight ever happened Cotto would destroy hatton...

                    Hatton was a beast in his day at 140 but cotto was a step higher in terms of skill..
                    Hatton would have been at home (as the draw) and would've worked the inside v Cotto. Miguel Cotto wasn't built for that rough-house kind of fight.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
                      See my post above yours. Cotto was too green. Look at Cotto in 04/05 then look at him in early 08. Two completely different fighters.

                      But hey, you just proved my point. Why do you think Floyd asked for a fight in 04/05, but declined the fight in 08 referencing Cotto's fan base?

                      If anything, Cotto's fan base was non existent in 04, but Floyd was willing to fight him. Cotto had more of a fan base in 08 than he did in 04, but Floyd wanted the 04 version

                      Fan base was completely different since he beat Mosley that made him a household name

                      But that's also when he got a lil c*cky, a lil arrogant started slapping his right hand and raisin it to the crowd type ****..and he slowly but surely became a head hunter..

                      Cotto's body work from the beginning up until 2007 was amazing..that's when I wanted to see the Cotto Mayweather match up..personally

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