Miguel Cotto's opponents

[HeroBando]

On one hand you have Mayweather......who hardly anyone says had solid wins against Manfredy (#2 130), Corley (#6 140), Gatti (#1/2 140), Baldomir (RING WW), Judah (#5 147)......but people turn around and say Pinto, Quintana, Torres, Paulie, and all these guys were good wins for Cotto.

C'mon.....there's clearly a double standard there.

Didn't you just put down Lazcano and Julio Diaz in Castillo's notable wins? Not sure why you complain about Paulie and Quintana then

[4Corners]

Please show me one article, just 1, where Floyd referenced the Cotto fight in early 08 not being made because Bob Arum. I can show you several articles of Floyd's reasoning for the fight not happening due to Cotto's fan base and living too far.

People act as if we can't have two separate reasons for the fight not happening at different times.

Pac - Floyd not happening 09-12 = PED testing and Bob Arum.

Floyd - Cotto not happening in 08 = Cotto lives to far, not big enough fan base, re-match with DLH and retirement.

I have articles to back my claims. I'm not just pulling stuff out my ass.

Floyd says a ton of ****** stuff......we all know this.

Anyone with any logic can see that Floyd isn't and has never been keen on working with Top Rank again. The most likely reason Pacquiao, Cotto in 08', and Margarito didn't happen.

[BoxingGenius27]

Floyd says a ton of ****** stuff......we all know this.

Anyone with any logic can see that Floyd isn't and has never been keen on working with Top Rank again. The most likely reason Pacquiao, Cotto in 08', and Margarito didn't happen.

Just because that's the reasoning today doesn't mean that's always been the reasoning.

Again, show me one article from Floyd or Bob referencing the Cotto fight not being made because of Arum like it is today. You can't show me cause it doesn't exist.

Different day different reasons for fights not happening. You can't just use the blanket Bob Arum excuse because that's the reason for today.

Someone would've referenced it back in the day for the fight not being made. Instead, all we heard was Cotto lives to far, not a big enough fan base, Rematch with DLH and retirement. That's it.

[4Corners]

Didn't you just put down Lazcano and Julio Diaz in Castillo's notable wins? Not sure why you complain about Paulie and Quintana then

Uhhhhh Lazcano was coming off stopping Stevie Johnston and was the #1 Lightweight......

J. Diaz was actually a Top 5 Lightweight at the time, not a great win, decent win.

Look at their top wins.

Mosley, Clottey, Judah, Paulie, Quintana.

Mayweather (yes Castillo will get his due for their first fight, which most thought he won), Johnston, Lazcano, Corrales, Casamayor, J. Diaz.

It's clearly Castillo, I can't even understand how people don't see it. It's like because one guy beat a ton of mid level fighters, never beat the guy at his weight class, but has a big fan base, he's better.

Castillo beat the top guy at Lightweight over and over. Johnston, Mayweather, Lazcano, Corrales, and Casamayor were ALL top ranked fighters, not B level bringe contenders at the time.

[4Corners]

Just because that's the reasoning today doesn't mean that's always been the reasoning.

Again, show me one article from Floyd or Bob referencing the Cotto fight not being made because of Arum like it is today. You can't show me cause it doesn't exist.

Different day different reasons for fights not happening. You can't just use the blanket Bob Arum excuse because that's the reason for today.

Someone would've referenced it back in the day for the fight not being made. Instead, all we heard was Cotto lives to far, not a big enough fan base, Rematch with DLH and retirement. That's it.

But yet Cotto in 2005 being too green was a good excuse??? Even though both were top ranked fighters at 140. Okay.

Anyways, this was mainly about how Cotto is viewed in terms of his legacy, and where he actually is. He has 3 wins that are above average wins, and 2 of them were arguable losses.

Cotto is a good fighter, he just didn't live up to what you'd think he was, given his hype.

[El Angel]

Castillo beat Bazan when Bazan was actually a Top 5 Lightweight.

Corrales is about equal to Cotto, maybe you give Cotto a slight edge because he beat Mosley who proved against Margarito that he still could beat good fighters.

Castillo is a slam dunk. So because he didn't technically win, do you not count Whitaker beating Chavez??? Do you count Bradley beating Pacquiao???

Castillo was the best Lightweight of his era, beat every top guy while he was there. Johnston, Lazcano, Corrales, and Mayweather were all highly ranked Lightweights, and guys like Bazan and J. Diaz were also Top 10 Lightweights too.

The highest ranking guy Cotto ever beat as Mosley, who was like #3 at the time at 147. Cotto never came close to beating a #1 fighter in any division he was in.

Are you arguing Castillo beat Floyd THAT convincingly? I don't like Floyd, but that was a close fight no matter who you scored it for. The other two fights weren't that close.

And should Castillo get that much credit for beating for Corrales when he missed the damn weight limit?

[El Angel]

IF.....IF....IF......IF I had a square ass, I'd s**t bricks. But I don't.

Acting like his level of comp isn't the reason he was the best is naive. He's a very good fighter, but he's never been an ELITE fighter.

[4Corners]

Are you arguing Castillo beat Floyd THAT convincingly? I don't like Floyd, but that was a close fight no matter who you scored it for. The other two fights weren't that close.

And should Castillo get that much credit for beating for Corrales when he missed the damn weight limit?

Well it seems like Floyd finally gets his due for beating Marquez, even though he missed weight.

Castillo more or less controlled the last 7 rounds of that fight. Even if you give Floyd the first 4 rounds, even 5, you could have Castillo winning. Can you really convincingly say Floyd took at least 2 of the last 7 rounds, because I can't, and I'm a huge Mayweather fan.

[BoxingGenius27]

But yet Cotto in 2005 being too green was a good excuse??? Even though both were top ranked fighters at 140. Okay.

Anyways, this was mainly about how Cotto is viewed in terms of his legacy, and where he actually is. He has 3 wins that are above average wins, and 2 of them were arguable losses.

Cotto is a good fighter, he just didn't live up to what you'd think he was, given his hype.

Cotto just started fighting in 01 and was still building his brand. Yes, he was green in 05. Mayweather had alreadly been in the game almost 10 years at that time with major Olympic experience.

So again, I ask you, who else should Cotto have fought outside of those he already has?

In my book, he has lived up to the hype. He was like a modern day Golovkin at the time pre-margarito. But like anything, people always wait 'til a guy loses or is on a losing streak to discredit him and forget what he was like "at the time" which out weighs retrospectiveness.

Same thing happened to Roy, Tyson and will happen to Floyd if he decides to stick around long enough.

[4Corners]

Acting like his level of comp isn't the reason he was the best is naive. He's a very good fighter, but he's never been an ELITE fighter.

Lightweight was actually pretty good when Castillo was there.

Stevie Johnston was severely underrated in terms of spotlight, Mayweather is one of the best fighters ever, Corrales and Casamayor both real good fighters.

Cotto had a shot to be the best at 140 or 154, but he's not. Who did he fight at 140 that was so impressive??? Who did he fight at 154 besides a smaller Mayweather who's not even a real 154 fighter, and than he lost a clear UD to Austin Trout, who's a pretty good and solid fighter.

Cotto had some tough fights at 147 with Mosley, Margarito, and Pacquiao. Than he fought a smaller Mayweather. Aside from those guys, he has a long list of mid level fighters.

Also, Castillo won his Lightweight titles against real title holders. The only title Cotto ever won over a real champion and Yuri f**king Foreman.