Can someone help me about the Mayweather vs Top Rank Situation?

[Calabis]

cry me a river. when you become a grade a promoter, make sure you reward your 375k selling, non crowd pleasing guy with a 20m guarantee against the part time superstar.

Here think about it this way

Arum could have: Margarito 8 mil plus ppv, etc.
Mayweather : Instead Baldomir for 8 mil and part of ppv, etc.

Arum got nothing Floyd got what he wanted and a belt: Winner Floyd

Arum offered 6-7 mil for Hatton and Cotto
Mayweather wanted 8-10 mil for Hatton and Cotto from Arum: Mayweather made approximately 25 mil total in vs Hatton which was a huge PPV success

and he made 32 mil, plus the back end for Cotto, and also killed in PPV

Again Arum got nothing and Floyd doubled and tripled what he originally wanted: Winner again Floyd

Arum didn't even make a offer for DLH, he basically laughed at Mayweathers request of 20 mil.

Mayweather asked for 20 mil and instead made about 25 mil and his brand was launched. PPV sells were a record high and may never be reached

Arum got nothing and Floyd has been cashing in since. So yeah its safe to say that he screwed the pooch and underestimated Floyd Mayweathers earning potential. He could have made a killing with Floyd.

[bravestone]

yes wasn't sure if I could post them


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2420382

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...ticle-1.289909

Thanks dude, that's eye opening stuff. I had no clue about the buy out. No wonder TR is so bitter.

[HeroBando]

Once again you sidestep the point being made by myself and the thread in general. This isn't about Bob Arum sticking rigidly to his business plan or your pedantic championing of it. It's about the ramifications of that decision. Because of that and a low ball offer for a potential Cotto fight, fights weren't made. The fact is, a far less intelligent fighter saw the very real potential that Arum couldn't and the loss wasn't just profit from one fight, but other fights the fans wanted to see. It all came down to money.

The far less intelligent fighter bet on himself. Many do, very few have the talent and that "charisma" that made it all work for Money Floyd. But it's not like it was obvious off his pre DLH track record (ppv/gate/action fight potential)

Either way, one of the questions was how he could say no to a 20m guarantee, given the outcome. and I just gave you the Cliffs Notes. It's not even in the ballpark, let me know what you disagree with.

[HeroBando]

Here think about it this way

Arum could have: Margarito 8 mil plus ppv, etc.
Mayweather : Instead Baldomir for 8 mil and part of ppv, etc.

Arum got nothing Floyd got what he wanted and a belt: Winner Floyd

Arum offered 6-7 mil for Hatton and Cotto
Mayweather wanted 8-10 mil for Hatton and Cotto from Arum: Mayweather made approximately 25 mil total in vs Hatton which was a huge PPV success

and he made 32 mil, plus the back end for Cotto, and also killed in PPV

Again Arum got nothing and Floyd doubled and tripled what he originally wanted: Winner again Floyd

Arum didn't even make a offer for DLH, he basically laughed at Mayweathers request of 20 mil.

Mayweather asked for 20 mil and instead made about 25 mil and his brand was launched. PPV sells were a record high and may never be reached

Arum got nothing and Floyd has been cashing in since. So yeah its safe to say that he screwed the pooch and underestimated Floyd Mayweathers earning potential. He could have made a killing with Floyd.

Absolutely right, maybe he regrets it. It was major money he lost out on. But in the same position, he'll make the same call again. That's cause 99% of the time, agreeing to it would lose him a lot of money. There's no logic behind DLH Floyd doing 2.5m, unless it's the novelty of 24/7 that drew in the mainstream audience. Again, betting on something like that = early ruin. Nothing personal, just business

[bravestone]

Here think about it this way

Arum could have: Margarito 8 mil plus ppv, etc.
Mayweather : Instead Baldomir for 8 mil and part of ppv, etc.

Arum got nothing Floyd got what he wanted and a belt: Winner Floyd

Arum offered 6-7 mil for Hatton and Cotto
Mayweather wanted 8-10 mil for Hatton and Cotto from Arum: Mayweather made approximately 25 mil total in vs Hatton which was a huge PPV success

and he made 32 mil, plus the back end for Cotto, and also killed in PPV

Again Arum got nothing and Floyd doubled and tripled what he originally wanted: Winner again Floyd

Arum didn't even make a offer for DLH, he basically laughed at Mayweathers request of 20 mil.

Mayweather asked for 20 mil and instead made about 25 mil and his brand was launched. PPV sells were a record high and may never be reached

Arum got nothing and Floyd has been cashing in since. So yeah its safe to say that he screwed the pooch and underestimated Floyd Mayweathers earning potential. He could have made a killing with Floyd.

The fact that Arum offered 7 mill for Cotto and Floyd made what, 45 million speaks volumes.

[Calabis]

The far less intelligent fighter bet on himself. Many do, very few have the talent and that "charisma" that made it all work for Money Floyd. But it's not like it was obvious off his pre DLH track record (ppv/gate/action fight potential)Either way, one of the questions was how he could say no to a 20m guarantee, given the outcome. and I just gave you the Cliffs Notes. It's not even in the ballpark, let me know what you disagree with.

I believe that was the issue Mayweather had with Arum. He felt he was being undervalued and not pushed to mainstream hard enough. He felt Arum was more into promoting Margarito and Cotto

In 2005, Mayweather and Cotto were both promoted by Top Rank and each were undefeated stars. Mayweather was preparing to face Henry Bruseles and told David Mayo of MLive.com he thought Top Rank was using Bruseles as a test run for an eventual pay-per-view bout with Cotto.

Mayweather stopped Bruseles in the eighth round, but no one on Earth ever thought Bruseles was remotely as good as Cotto.

At the time, Mayweather and Top Rank chairman Bob Arum were feuding over the direction of his career. Mayweather wanted to be marketed to an urban audience, and Arum wanted to paint him as the next Sugar Ray Leonard, e.g., a friendly, clean cut guy with a brilliant smile and other worldly skills. Mayweather also desperately wanted to fight on pay-per-view and Arum thought it wise to continue to build him via bouts on HBO.

After beating Bruseles, Mayweather got the pay-per-view bout he craved, against the late Arturo Gatti, and dominated in one-sided manner. More importantly, the fight did far better than expected on pay-per-view.A few months after the Gatti fight, Mayweather bought his way out of his contract with Top Rank and talk of a match with Cotto cooled. Mayweather, though, never forgot about it

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...170349220.html

[HeroBando]

I believe that was the issue Mayweather had with Arum. He felt he was being undervalued and not pushed to mainstream hard enough. He felt Arum was more into promoting Margarito and Cotto

In 2005, Mayweather and Cotto were both promoted by Top Rank and each were undefeated stars. Mayweather was preparing to face Henry Bruseles and told David Mayo of MLive.com he thought Top Rank was using Bruseles as a test run for an eventual pay-per-view bout with Cotto.

Mayweather stopped Bruseles in the eighth round, but no one on Earth ever thought Bruseles was remotely as good as Cotto.

At the time, Mayweather and Top Rank chairman Bob Arum were feuding over the direction of his career. Mayweather wanted to be marketed to an urban audience, and Arum wanted to paint him as the next Sugar Ray Leonard, e.g., a friendly, clean cut guy with a brilliant smile and other worldly skills. Mayweather also desperately wanted to fight on pay-per-view and Arum thought it wise to continue to build him via bouts on HBO.

After beating Bruseles, Mayweather got the pay-per-view bout he craved, against the late Arturo Gatti, and dominated in one-sided manner. More importantly, the fight did far better than expected on pay-per-view.A few months after the Gatti fight, Mayweather bought his way out of his contract with Top Rank and talk of a match with Cotto cooled. Mayweather, though, never forgot about it

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...170349220.html

It's an interesting discussion, and there may be something to it. But come on, a guy like Arum will push whoever he thinks he can sell better, see Gamboa Lopez. He screwed the pooch on Floyd, I don't disagree. I doubt it was personal. It wasn't obvious at all that it was gonna break all records and turn Floyd into an superstar overnight, that's it. But he'd rather make a really bad call once that cost him nothing but future earnings, than make it the 99 other times it fails to justify anywhere near the guarantee and leads to red ink.

[HeroBando]

The fact that Arum offered 7 mill for Cotto and Floyd made what, 45 million speaks volumes.

How many years apart was that? You must be hoping nobody is reading your stuff closely

[El Jesus]

He'll take that loss, I'm sure, and he'll stick with his calculation. It's got him pretty far. It goes like this:

Generally you have 2 fighters, you add up their solo drawing power and that's the very max you can expect, but really it's always lower cause there's overlap. Here you had a flagging, part time superstar who never matched the Trinidad numbers (a much more relevant fight at the time, vs a crowd pleasing star). And you had a guy coming off the Baldomir bonanza. That doesn't add up to a 2.5m buys, not even half.

Sure enough the fight was lukewarm like the business transaction it was, but whatever it was, it busted all projections. It's not like it happens as a rule, as a rule it doesn't.

Im confused...when was trinidad more relevant than de la hoya post 2001? After the beating he took from hopkins and then winky wright, if youre talking about de la hoya in 2006-7 trinidad was basically finished at that point. im not sure how you came to that conclusion.

even as far back at 2006 people thought de la hoya mayweather would do 1-1.5 million buys

[ADP02]

Thanks dude, that's eye opening stuff. I had no clue about the buy out. No wonder TR is so bitter.

So I was right the other day .... you had no idea what was going on yet you were stating what you did.

Just in case you missed it there, Arum was still willing to extend the buyout time-frame but Floyd said no lets do it now. Still, during the "separation", Arum still hoped that Floyd may change his mind and fight Margarito and then eventually come back .... or at least, keep communications open.

Margarito was supposed to fight in August against Floyd then someone else due to "Floyd's bruised hand" excuse for rejecting the fight, according to Floyd's team.

Still, Margarito could have fought Floyd because he didn't fight in August ... hope was still there from Arum ....

But instead of fighting Margarito, Floyd fought Baldomir and then Oscar the following year .... at that point, the "mutual agreement" was not as friendly anymore because the divorce was essentially done due to Floyd's move.