Can someone help me about the Mayweather vs Top Rank Situation?

[HeroBando]

DLH/Mayweather was the biggest fight in boxing. and it seemed Arum wanted no part of it.

it ended up being so, but as i said, no serious business projects around such a highly unlikely scenario.

[bravestone]

it ended up being so, but as i said, no serious business projects around such a highly unlikely scenario.

It's not their fault Arum undervalued Mayweather.

[HeroBando]

It's not their fault Arum undervalued Mayweather.

cry me a river. when you become a grade a promoter, make sure you reward your 375k selling, non crowd pleasing guy with a 20m guarantee against the part time superstar.

[Marvellous1]

cry me a river. when you become a grade a promoter, make sure you reward your 375k selling, non crowd pleasing guy with a 20m guarantee against the part time superstar.

Sum it up any way you want to, but you have to concede that it all comes down to money. Arum mis-calculated ( hopefully that doesn't offend your sensibilities) and because he undervalued Mayweather as a commodity, certain fights didn't happen. The rest is history.

[HeroBando]

Sum it up any way you want to, but you have to concede that it all comes down to money. Arum mis-calculated ( hopefully that doesn't offend your sensibilities) and because he undervalued Mayweather as a commodity, certain fights didn't happen. The rest is history.

I don't know that he miscalculated, it was an outlandish request based on standard promoter math. He did miss out on a lot of money, but it was far from obvious and a very low percentage play. Basically if you're the kind to engage in those, you don't get to be top ranked promoter for longer than I'm alive. China, now that's a percentage play and a serious power move, but most here play checkers, not chess so it'll take a while to sink in.

[Marvellous1]

I don't know that he miscalculated, it was an outlandish request based on standard promoter math. He did miss out on a lot of money, but it was far from obvious and a very low percentage play. Basically if you're the kind to engage in those, you don't get to be top ranked promoter for longer than I'm alive. China, now that's a percentage play and a serious power move, but most here play checkers, not chess so it'll take a while to sink in.

Way to sidestep the point of the post. The point is, the events are linked and things unfolded the way they did because of the dollar bill. Use whatever semantics you like, but fact remains that Arum lacked the vision that a far less intelligent fighter had. Due to this (and his preference for the latino market at the time), certain fights didn't get made. THAT is what you're skirting around. It's been documented that Mayweather would've taken fights against Margarito and Cotto IF Arum shared his vision. He didn't and settled for 750, 000 dollar buy out.

[Calabis]

Cause he was asking for way more money than his status warranted. That's on page 1.

How if he made that and then some?

[bravestone]

1) Arum has disdain towards De La Hoya who was once under his banner, because he left and invested in his own promotional banner who displayed that he wasn't getting the money he was making from Arum.
2)It's because it was bull**** and was used to discredit Mayweather's name, as Mayweather just brought out his contract with Arum so he can make a fight with De La Hoya which exponentially increased Mayweather money.
3) He did it around the Judah fight I think... So yeah I think he was on his own fighting on HBO which were working as his promoter for the Baldomir fight.

It's a shame how no one understands this piece of history and why it is difficult to make things happen with Arum, he is stubborn and old.

Seems to be **** on the money.

[HeroBando]

Way to sidestep the point of the post. The point is, the events are linked and things unfolded the way they did because of the dollar bill. Use whatever semantics you like, but fact remains that Arum lacked the vision that a far less intelligent fighter had. Due to this (and his preference for the latino market at the time), certain fights didn't get made. THAT is what you're skirting around. It's been documented that Mayweather would've taken fights against Margarito and Cotto IF Arum shared his vision. He didn't and settled for 750, 000 dollar buy out.

He'll take that loss, I'm sure, and he'll stick with his calculation. It's got him pretty far. It goes like this:

Generally you have 2 fighters, you add up their solo drawing power and that's the very max you can expect, but really it's always lower cause there's overlap. Here you had a flagging, part time superstar who never matched the Trinidad numbers (a much more relevant fight at the time, vs a crowd pleasing star). And you had a guy coming off the Baldomir bonanza. That doesn't add up to a 2.5m buys, not even half.

Sure enough the fight was lukewarm like the business transaction it was, but whatever it was, it busted all projections. It's not like it happens as a rule, as a rule it doesn't.

[Marvellous1]

He'll take that loss, I'm sure, and he'll stick with his calculation. It's got him pretty far. It goes like this:

Generally you have 2 fighters, you add up their solo drawing power and that's the very max you can expect, but really it's always lower cause there's overlap. Here you had a flagging, part time superstar who never matched the Trinidad numbers (a much more relevant fight at the time, vs a crowd pleasing star). And you had a guy coming off the Baldomir bonanza. That doesn't add up to a 2.5m buys, not even half.

Sure enough the fight was lukewarm like the business transaction it was, but whatever it was, it busted all projections. It's not like it happens as a rule, as a rule it doesn't.

Once again you sidestep the point being made by myself and the thread in general. This isn't about Bob Arum sticking rigidly to his business plan or your pedantic championing of it. It's about the ramifications of that decision. Because of that and a low ball offer for a potential Cotto fight, fights weren't made. The fact is, a far less intelligent fighter saw the very real potential that Arum couldn't and the loss wasn't just profit from one fight, but other fights the fans wanted to see. It all came down to money.