Can someone help me about the Mayweather vs Top Rank Situation?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Yeah nice story dude...to bad there is a link with Bob Arum saying he would have fought Margarito for 8 mil, but wanted 10 mil for Hatton or Cotto after that....Bob lowballed him with 6 to 7 mil.

But enjoy making stuff up.

Anytime your are getting 5 plus million and your ppv's dont break 500,000 thats not a lowball....

You are acting like cotto or hatton or margs wouldnt bring huge amount of british, ricans, or mexicans and floyd was a draw....

How come his gatti,Baldomir and zab fight both did under 500,000 buys.

You would guarantee a guy 10 million for at best 450,000 buys..
YOU ****** and ARUM IS NOT

[The Gambler1981]

All I have to say is Bravo brav fucking OH, I have been making this argument for years and year and dudes in this thread laid out the situation masterfully.

When you look at the situation with your head everything is cause and effect and it all makes sense. Some people however are conspiracy theorists and come up with convoluted theories to fit their view.

It all come down to this
-Arum thinks he is the smartest man in the room (a well founded belief but also a personal flaw)
-he saw a losing proposition in Floyd not that Floyd wouldn't have success but that he wouldn't make a difference to his bottom line at best and could be very costly at worst
-Floyd thought different and dipped
-Floyd ended up outsmarting the Harvard man whether you think he hit an inside straight or not
-Arum didn't take kindly to the situation
-Arum tried to make lemon-aide out of lemons and used Floyd's name and the fact that Floyd would never give him the time of day again to build his fighters. I can't fault Arum for this though because he invested a lot into Floyd and Floyd dipped before he got the payoff

[Sugar Adam Ali]

All I have to say is Bravo brav fucking OH, I have been making this argument for years and year and dudes in this thread laid out the situation masterfully.

When you look at the situation with your head everything is cause and effect and it all makes sense. Some people however are conspiracy theorists and come up with convoluted theories to fit their view.

It all come down to this
-Arum thinks he is the smartest man in the room (a well founded belief but also a personal flaw)
-he saw a losing proposition in Floyd not that Floyd wouldn't have success but that he wouldn't make a difference to his bottom line at best and could be very costly at worst
-Floyd thought different and dipped
-Floyd ended up outsmarting the Harvard man whether you think he hit an inside straight or not
-Arum didn't take kindly to the situation
-Arum tried to make lemon-aide out of lemons and used Floyd's name and the fact that Floyd would never give him the time of day again to build his fighters. I can't fault Arum for this though because he invested a lot into Floyd and Floyd dipped before he got the payoff

Yeah i agree with you..
I think Arum never believed that floyd, while a great fighter, would never become a main ppv attraction like he has become...
And Floyd wasnt a monster draw till the oscar fight, and manny wasnt a monster draw till the oscar fight...
Oscar made them huge superstars by fighting them..

[bravestone]

What story are you talking about,,,

Your an idiot and obviously cant comprehend..

We are talking about Guarantees::: Cotto and Hatton want just as much money as floyd or close to it...

Floyd wasnt a proven superstar till the oscar fight...

Don't you think Floyd would've deserved more than 6 million to fight Hatton, after he had beaten Delahoya?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Don't you think Floyd would've deserved more than 6 million to fight Hatton, after he had beaten Delahoya?

Yes after he beat Oscar

BUT NOT BEFORE!!!!!
in 2005-2006 floyd wasnt the huge mega star he is today thanks to the oscar fight...

Clearly Floyd brings in huge numbers, but before the oscar fight he had never broken 500,000 buys.
Him and baldmir only did like 370,000 buys..

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd vs Hatton in 2006 would have been a big fight but probably only would do 500,000.
It wouldn't have been as big as say Serg-Chavez or somewhere in that neighborhood...

5-6 million guaranteed seems like a good deal if you are doing 500,000 buys on your previous ppv's

[bravestone]

Yes after he beat Oscar

BUT NOT BEFORE!!!!!

Floyd vs Hatton would've came after the Oscar fight.

[Frank Ducketts]

Some inquiries....

1. How does Top Rank refuse a Delahoya fight with Mayweather, because there wasn't enough money to be made on his end?

Mayweather wanted 20 million for Delahoya, and actually made 25 million+ after the fight. That's a few million for Arum.

2. How was Top Rank able to offer 8 million for a Margarito fight, but only 6/7 million for Cotto and Hatton who were arguably as or more popular at the time?

3. Did Mayweather buy out of his contract before the Baldomir fight with the Delahoya fight already lined up?

I'm not big on negotiations so if anyone could help me out here it'd be appreciated.

Margarito was never a mandatory. Arum never offered Floyd 8 mil, it was 7 mil and change. Floyd was offered 8 mil by another entity, and a shot at WBC champ Baldomir. When there were talks with Margarito, Arum wanted options on Floyd's next few fights, and Floyd didn't want that. On top of that both said the the other owes each other money. Margarito fans took that and the footage of Margarito asking for a fight...added that together and came up with the fake "Floyd is a coward" anthem that they've sworn an oath to uphold lol.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd vs Hatton would've came after the Oscar fight.

Thanks capt obvious Floyd fought him after leaving arum
In the thread people are talking about arum low-balled him on hatton fight

one of the reasons floyd left Arum, but in reality Floyd didnt command a huge gaurantee at the time from arum for hatton....

I think you are kinda missing the point of what me and other dude are debating...
Arum was negotiating a fight between hatton-floyd but floyd wanted like 9 mi guarantee at the time and floyd wasnt worth it.. This is in 2006, so it was before the oscar fight... Floyd bought out his contract, got oscar fight, became huge star and then could command more money because of this...

At the time arum was trying to do the fightm floyd had yet to become a huge mainstream star like he was when he did fight hatton

understand it now..
Pre-oscar was arum-floyd-hatton which never happened cause floyd priced himself out by not taking 5 plus mil
After oscar no arum and floyd a huge star so he can command huge purse but not in 2006 before oscar fight. 5 mil guaranteed plus ppv upside seems like a good deal for a guy would never had over 450,000 buys

[bravestone]

Thanks capt obvious Floyd fought him after leaving arum
In the thread people are talking about arum low-balled him on hatton fight

one of the reasons floyd left Arum, but in reality Floyd didnt command a huge gaurantee at the time from arum for hatton....

I think you are kinda missing the point of what me and other dude are debating...
Arum was negotiating a fight between hatton-floyd but floyd wanted like 9 mi guarantee at the time and floyd wasnt worth it.. This is in 2006, so it was before the oscar fight... Floyd bought out his contract, got oscar fight, became huge star and then could command more money because of this...

At the time arum was trying to do the fightm floyd had yet to become a huge mainstream star like he was when he did fight hatton

understand it now..
Pre-oscar was arum-floyd-hatton which never happened cause floyd priced himself out by not taking 5 plus mil
After oscar no arum and floyd a huge star so he can command huge purse but not in 2006 before oscar fight. 5 mil guaranteed plus ppv upside seems like a good deal for a guy would never had over 450,000 buys

Oscar was going to happen before the Hatton fight, thus making Floyd more popular.