I'll say it... Guillermo Rigondeaux is probaby the most skilled boxer of all time.

[Tim2daresq]

Marquez is of a higher calibre than Donaire arguably and definitely in all time terms. You will mention weight now but weight wasn't the problem - Mayweather weighs 149 on fight nights and Marquez stopped Pacquiao at welter. Still, I'm not gonna argue that this win is better than Rigo's because it isn't but still.

De La Hoya is a better fighter (though not at the time they fought I will concede).

Even if Floyd hasn't beaten a fighter of that Calibre, he also hasn't been taken to a split decision by someone on the level of Cordoba. He's proven himself against many more styles and in many more fights that Rigo. As I keep saying, Rigo takes more and lands less in percentage terms than Mayweather despite throwing less. How in the world can he be more skilled than Mayweather if this is the case. The only area in which he is better than Mayweather prime for prime is in power.

JMM was a super blown up WW when he fought Floyd, and Donaire was undoubtedly bigger than Rigo last night.

You can make a case that Marquez has an overall better resume than Donaire, but skill for skill, Donaire is equal to or better than JMM.

P.S. I said PRIME.

[Tim2daresq]

This is embarrassing. Donaire is better than Morales, Pacquiao and Barrera?. You are a ****ing joke. What's worse is their styles aren't comparable.

Donaire would chew up fighters like Barrera and Pacquiao. They're come forward fighters. Donaire @122 is one of the hardest hitters of all time, and would catch them coming in.

Morales would have a better time with Donaire, and Rigo would shut Morales out. You saw how he did against Raheem.

[IronDanHamza]

It is possible to realize that the win is monument, that Donaire is a GREAT fighter and supremely skilled, but also to know that Rigondeaux is THAT good that he would completely outclass and dismantle him.

Nonito Donaire is not a great fighter.

Very good fighter, yes. Elite fighter, yes. P4P Top 5 calibur, yes. Great? No.

[The Surgeon]

I'm 100% positive.

It's the one and only fight of Mayweather's career that he wasn't the betting favourite.

Cool i'll take your word for it, seems mad looking back at how easy it was in the end...
Chico was a lil weight drained in the fight i felt but Pretty Boy Floyd as he was known back then was nothing short of majestic, Better than Rigo last night.

[!! Shawn]

Marquez is of a higher calibre than Donaire arguably and definitely in all time terms. You will mention weight now but weight wasn't the problem - Mayweather weighs 149 on fight nights and Marquez stopped Pacquiao at welter. Still, I'm not gonna argue that this win is better than Rigo's because it isn't but still.

De La Hoya is a better fighter (though not at the time they fought I will concede).

Even if Floyd hasn't beaten a fighter of that Calibre, he also hasn't been taken to a split decision by someone on the level of Cordoba. He's proven himself against many more styles and in many more fights that Rigo. As I keep saying, Rigo takes more and lands less in percentage terms than Mayweather despite throwing less. How in the world can he be more skilled than Mayweather if this is the case. The only area in which he is better than Mayweather prime for prime is in power.

The fight with Marquez was an obvious size problem, not a skill problem. Floyd's reach was just too much for Marquez to deal with. The dude has what, 5 inch reach disadvantage to Floyd?

It is one thing to move up through the weights and stay competitive with a fighter that you were competitive with at the lower weights. Weight wont change that.

Its another thing to move up in weight against a very skilled fighter such as Mayweather who has a very large size advantage over you and knows how to use it effectively.

Mayweather was able to stay out of Marquez range all night, and it was also Marquez first fight at the weight, and he looked very fat, not to mention Floyd didn't even try and make the contracted catch weight.

Also, once again. Watch the Cordoba fight.

It was a very comfortable win for Rigondeaux. The scoring with criminal.

[stefl14]

It is possible to realize that the win is monument, that Donaire is a GREAT fighter and supremely skilled, but also to know that Rigondeaux is THAT good that he would completely outclass and dismantle him.

Absolutely not. He is just a typical hall of famer. Don't throw around the great word to suit your agenda.

[Tim2daresq]

Mayweather was as wide an underdog as Rigondeaux was.

And both Donaire and Corrales were Top 5 P4P calibur fighters at those respective times.

Corrales is a made to order fighter for guys like Floyd and Rigo. Donaire, not at all. That's the difference. We have to use context. Just because your a top fighter, doesn't make you as hard of an opponent as another top fighter.

Styles make fights, and Rigo fought the much harder style to deal with.

[Tim2daresq]

Nonito Donaire is not a great fighter.

Very good fighter, yes. Elite fighter, yes. P4P Top 5 calibur, yes. Great? No.

What makes a fighter great? Pretty much through their resumes, but we can conclude how good their skills are as we're watching them.

He might not have the legacy of the greats, but in terms of skills, he's a GREAT fighter.

[junior gong]

Mayweather was as wide an underdog as Rigondeaux was.

And both Donaire and Corrales were Top 5 P4P calibur fighters at those respective times.

Really??..He was a relatively new world champion and there were many great fighters around at that time. Much as I loved 'Chico' he was never p4p material.

I know the ring had him up there, but I always thought that was grossly inflated

[!! Shawn]

In the past 20 years? There are plenty
Calzaghe over Lacy
Pacquiao over Barrera
Morales over Pacquiao
Marquez over Pacquiao
Winky over Tito
Tito over Vargas
Hopkins over Tito
Mosley over DLH
Margarito over Cotto
Foreman over Moorer
thats just off the top of the head.

So you feel that Lacy was better quality than Donaire?
Vargas was not of the quality of Donaire.
You feel Pacquiao was better quality than Donaire at the time of the Morales fight? Pacquiao was a beast, but he was never on the skill level of Donaire from a technical stand point.
Tito was never at the skill level of Donaire.
Mosley's win over DLH was not comprehensive, nor was it a schooling.
Margarito's win over Cotto... really? I love Cotto, but Cotto was not on the level of Donaire.
Moorer was not on the level of Donaire.

Serious, name me a win of the quality that Rigondeaux had last night.