I'll say it... Guillermo Rigondeaux is probaby the most skilled boxer of all time.

[stefl14]

The fight with Marquez was an obvious size problem, not a skill problem. Floyd's reach was just too much for Marquez to deal with. The dude has what, 5 inch reach disadvantage to Floyd?

It is one thing to move up through the weights and stay competitive with a fighter that you were competitive with at the lower weights. Weight wont change that.

Its another thing to move up in weight against a very skilled fighter such as Mayweather who has a very large size advantage over you and knows how to use it effectively.

Mayweather was able to stay out of Marquez range all night, and it was also Marquez first fight at the weight, and he looked very fat, not to mention Floyd didn't even try and make the contracted catch weight.

Also, once again. Watch the Cordoba fight.

It was a very comfortable win for Rigondeaux. The scoring with criminal.

I have watched the Cordoba fight. The scoring was bad but Rigondeaux didn't look great to me. He became more gun shy as the fight went on which is his biggest problem. This is one of the reasons being a great amateur, particularly today, doesn't make you a great pro.

[!! Shawn]

Forgetting Floyd over Corrales in which Floyd was a bigger underdog, and put a whitewash on corrales far far worse than Rigo to Donaire. Also Mosley over Margarito.

I don't think it would be argued by anyone reasonable that Floyds win over Corrales was more Significant than Rigos win over Donaire.

[Tim2daresq]

Absolutely not. He is just a typical hall of famer. Don't throw around the great word to suit your agenda.

LMAO, Rigo shuts out a HOF caliber fighter in his 12 pro fight, and that means nothing now. Donaire is the toughest task for anyone around those weight classes, and he got thoroughly outclassed.

A lot people have already come to the conclusion that Rigo would beat Mares, the #2/3 guy around those weight classes, so then what? He goes on to beat a bunch of guys that aren't as good as Donaire, and racks up a crazy winning streak.

So, by default, him beating Donaire was a HUGE HUGE win.

[!! Shawn]

I have watched the Cordoba fight. The scoring was bad but Rigondeaux didn't look great to me. He became more gun shy as the fight went on which is his biggest problem. This is one of the reasons being a great amateur, particularly today, doesn't make you a great pro.

He boxed, and engaged when he chose to. He plied his skills to make the fight as uneventful and easy for himself as possible. Thats what great fighters do.

He was not gun shy, boxing does not make you gun shy. Moving does not make you gun shy. Countering does not make you gun shy.

You just said he struggled with Cordoba, now you are saying that the scoring was bad and he didn't really struggle as bad as you were saying, but you still didn't like the fight.

[Tim2daresq]

So you feel that Lacy was better quality than Donaire?
Vargas was not of the quality of Donaire.
You feel Pacquiao was better quality than Donaire at the time of the Morales fight? Pacquiao was a beast, but he was never on the skill level of Donaire from a technical stand point.
Tito was never at the skill level of Donaire.
Mosley's win over DLH was not comprehensive, nor was it a schooling.
Margarito's win over Cotto... really? I love Cotto, but Cotto was not on the level of Donaire.
Moorer was not on the level of Donaire.

Serious, name me a win of the quality that Rigondeaux had last night.

People are putting name over skills. Donaire is a HIGHLY skilled power puncher. If Donaire was the same size as those guys, he'd be racking up KO's at WW, MW, JMW, whatever weight class you wanna put him at, and people would be calling him one of the greatest boxer/punchers because he's fighting at a higher weight class.

[Grimgash]

I don't recall Floyd being a big underdog, and Corrales was never regaurded as highly as Donaire, simply because he was not on the level of Donaire.

It was 2 or 3 to 1 if I recall. Also corrales was torching competition and wasn't knocked down before that fight...again if I recall. Mayweather put on an absolute clinic. Like I said Rigo was impressive, looked great...but to put his skill level and ring IQ in comparison even with the two best of this era alone (May and Hop) is outlandish at this point. I'm not saying he's not good, but he's not THAT good yet. Still impressive win though.

Edit: Had to look it up cause its been awhile, but in comparison to Rigo-Donaire... here you go.

Mayweather was The Ring's #2-ranked super featherweight in the world (and #7 pound-for-pound), while Corrales was the #1-ranked super featherweight in the world and #5 pound-for-pound

[stefl14]

What makes a fighter great? Pretty much through their resumes, but we can conclude how good their skills are as we're watching them.

He might not have the legacy of the greats, but in terms of skills, he's a GREAT fighter.

You don't know boxing. We could also conclude then that Mark Breland was a great fighter by your logic. You can only ever truly judge a fighter on the basis of his resume.

[!! Shawn]

Same sport, different quality. That's still what you're failing to grasp.

Feel free to elaborate on this different quality.

[Tim2daresq]

I have watched the Cordoba fight. The scoring was bad but Rigondeaux didn't look great to me. He became more gun shy as the fight went on which is his biggest problem. This is one of the reasons being a great amateur, particularly today, doesn't make you a great pro.

He just beat Donaire, but Rigo's not a great pro? Dude, what's your major malfunction kid?

[stefl14]

People are putting name over skills. Donaire is a HIGHLY skilled power puncher. If Donaire was the same size as those guys, he'd be racking up KO's at WW, MW, JMW, whatever weight class you wanna put him at, and people would be calling him one of the greatest boxer/punchers because he's fighting at a higher weight class.

Pure conjecture. You know what, I'm gonna put it out there now - Vasyl Lomachenk is better than Rigondeaux and is the greatest boxer of all time.