Holyfield vs Wladimir?

[JAB5239]

I know this of course. The point is Holyfield struggled against the bigger opponents, and it's no surprise either. Bowe-Wladimir is another fight I would really have liked to see, btw.

You just said "this is exactly what wouldn't happen". If you knew this than how can you make this claim?

By the way, did you know Lewis planned on retiring before the Tyson fight and spoke about it just days before Johnson fell out and Vittles replaced him?

[dan_cov]

I think if there is one fighter to give Wladimir massive problems head-to-head it would be prime Holyfield.

Not saying others couldn't but I feel with his tools & stylistically a prime Holyfield is the fighter I'd like best to almost certainly beat Wladimir.

Tyson was very good at closing distance but he was more of a mid-range specialist IMO and a lot smaller & was more flat footed than Holyfield who could box from the outside, mid-range and was a hell of an inside fighter.
Tyson would often do little, came in very low and wasn't very hard to tie up, he'd get frustrated & he faded. Holyfield could fight 12 rounds hard with no bother and was a nightmare to tie up using his cross-armed defense.
I think you could take a lot more from Holyfields trilogy with Bowe than you could Tyson against anyone pre-prime-post prime.

I'd certainly like Holyfields chances a lot more than Mikes who I don't feel would be too dangerous after mid point. I've always felt Mike either destroyed a guy very quickly or he struggled badly the further the fight went. Holyfield would often get stronger.

[Capaedia]

I think the deciding factor is that Holyfield would try to fight at long range.

I don't think he has the power to reliably stop Wlad, who for all his vaunted chin troubles, has only been stopped by big punchers. I think he loses a competitive decision.

I think it would look completely different to the fights with Lewis and Bowe, since Wlad will be dedicated to keeping it outside and for all his ability to fight at any range, Holyfield often let his opponent choose where it would be, for stretches if not the whole fight.

From the outside I think Wlad will soundly outbox and probably hurt Holyfield more than once.

Maybe he adjusts and tries to take it to the inside, I'm not convinced he could make the much bigger, stronger man fight inside long enough to pull out the win however. I'm also not sure how long it'd take him to realise that he isn't going to win from the outside.

Good matchup. Sticking with Wlad.

I think he beats Vitali handily however.

[Weltschmerz]

I think if there is one fighter to give Wladimir massive problems head-to-head it would be prime Holyfield.

Not saying others couldn't but I feel with his tools & stylistically a prime Holyfield is the fighter I'd like best to almost certainly beat Wladimir.

Tyson was very good at closing distance but he was more of a mid-range specialist IMO and a lot smaller & was more flat footed than Holyfield who could box from the outside, mid-range and was a hell of an inside fighter.
Tyson would often do little, came in very low and wasn't very hard to tie up, he'd get frustrated & he faded. Holyfield could fight 12 rounds hard with no bother and was a nightmare to tie up using his cross-armed defense.
I think you could take a lot more from Holyfields trilogy with Bowe than you could Tyson against anyone pre-prime-post prime.

I'd certainly like Holyfields chances a lot more than Mikes who I don't feel would be too dangerous after mid point. I've always felt Mike either destroyed a guy very quickly or he struggled badly the further the fight went. Holyfield would often get stronger.

I think the deciding factor is that Holyfield would try to fight at long range.

I don't think he has the power to reliably stop Wlad, who for all his vaunted chin troubles, has only been stopped by big punchers. I think he loses a competitive decision.

I think it would look completely different to the fights with Lewis and Bowe, since Wlad will be dedicated to keeping it outside and for all his ability to fight at any range, Holyfield often let his opponent choose where it would be, for stretches if not the whole fight.

From the outside I think Wlad will soundly outbox and probably hurt Holyfield more than once.

Maybe he adjusts and tries to take it to the inside, I'm not convinced he could make the much bigger, stronger man fight inside long enough to pull out the win however. I'm also not sure how long it'd take him to realise that he isn't going to win from the outside.

Good matchup. Sticking with Wlad.

I think he beats Vitali handily however.

Good posts, thanks. Damn shame we could never see this fight, and that the Klitschko's weren't in the 90's instead.

[Weltschmerz]

You just said "this is exactly what wouldn't happen". If you knew this than how can you make this claim?

By the way, did you know Lewis planned on retiring before the Tyson fight and spoke about it just days before Johnson fell out and Vittles replaced him?

Make what claim?

Yeah yeah, I know Lewis was talking about retirement, you fucking parasite. But he also told Larry Merchant, at ringside right after the Vitali fight, that he would 'definitely give Vitali a rematch'.

In other words, it doesn't mean shit what Lewis said. What matters is what he did and did not do.

[JAB5239]

Make what claim?

Yeah yeah, I know Lewis was talking about retirement, you fucking parasite. But he also told Larry Merchant, at ringside right after the Vitali fight, that he would 'definitely give Vitali a rematch'.

In other words, it doesn't mean shit what Lewis said. What matters is what he did and did not do.

Ooohh, again with the insults! Lol, you mad? You're right though it only matters what he did and did not do. He had already said he was retitafter a Vittles or Jones fight and that's what he did. So what is your point?

[Weltschmerz]

Ooohh, again with the insults! Lol, you mad? You're right though it only matters what he did and did not do. He had already said he was retitafter a Vittles or Jones fight and that's what he did. So what is your point?

Go to bed, old man.

[JAB5239]

Go to bed, old man.

Lol, you look like a fool being unable to respond with anything but insults. Typical nuthugger!

[Weltschmerz]

Lol, you look like a fool being unable to respond with anything but insults. Typical nuthugger!

Haha

Keep reaching. You are one desperate motherfucker.

You can't shake me, Weltschmerz is too strong for you.

[JAB5239]

Haha

Keep reaching. You are one desperate motherfucker.

You can't shake me, Weltschmerz is too strong for you.

So anonymously strong but so unable to respond to the point! You're like a masochistic who enjoys the embarrassment.