How do YOU look at it?

[Scarcaztic]

Haglar spent his career in the era of the same day weigh-in, and usually weighed around 157. In the current era Haglar would fight at 154, possibly 147.

The 168 division was inaugurated near the end of Haglar's career. In that era Hopkins, Taylor, and Pavlik would have all fought at LHW. Haglar never showed any interest in moving up to 175.

This Haglar/Hopkins stuff has been done to death, but very few people ever stop to think about the fact that Hopkins and Haglar are two divisions apart. The size difference is enormous.

Another good point. I don't know what Hopkins' fight night weights are, but I'm sure he'd be coming in the bigger man.

[The Gambler1981]

You act like Hagler was a come at you, non stop aggression type fighter, in all his fights. I think the Hearns fight fooled you my friend. He starts slow, and usually starts off in the center of the ring, boxing.

And you also act like Hopkins has to use Sugar Ray's tactic to win.

Read my first post where I said Hagler is a better technical fighter than B-Hop, he is more versatile. Yea that is saying he is a face first brawler that is coming to take his head off which is by far the worst way to fight B-Hop.

Hagler could get down and dirty if it required but he was incredibly skilled also. He fought at a 15 round pace~ which requires a slower start to finish the marathon.

Yes that is how B-Hop would have to win~ and he would have to get the benefit of the doubt Leonard also got~

[Jack Napier]

hard to top Hagler's fab 4 wins (*cough* fuck Leonard *cough*)
but Hopkins' longevity does count for something
he unified and beat whatever top fighters were put in front of him
Taylor and Calzaghe are asterisks, don't count for or against him
would rank Hagler a little bit higher than Hopkins
Hopkins still going, though he's near the end
Hagler checked out early (*cough* fuck Leonard again *cough*)

[Bushbaby]

I'd red K your dumb ass, but it says I can't give you anymore reputation points. I must have green K'd you for hating on Canelo. Trout fan boy through and through. Canelo hatin ass.

No, but I think you take hating pointers from Floyd. Only way to quantify how much you hate Canelo. It's pretty sickening.

Nothing. You just said that I must take pointers from Floyd. And i rebutted with my statement.

So............... are you saying you didn't post all dis??

[El Manos]

On the one hand, when comparing Hagler and Hopkins, Marvin was at the championship level for almost 8 years (1979-1987) while Bernard has been there for TWENTY (1993-2013)...but on the other hand, Bernard has had 62 fights in a 25 YEAR career while Marvin had 67 fights in just a fourteen year career...

Bernard is so negative in the ring that I'll always side aginst him. That lame cowardly style is killing boxing and inspiring boring fighters like Devon Alexander, Chad Dawson, Andre Ward, Bradley, Mayweather jr, and the other usual suspects.


When it comes to Middleweights, Monzon tops both easily.

[KayDub]

I like Hopkins, but his career longevity is due, in part, to cheezing his way through fights with "hit and hold", dirty techniques, etc. I just can't give him as much credit or respect as a guy like Hagler who truly battled his way to victory. Head to head, I can see Hopkins winning this fight, but not without resorting to the aforementioned tactics.

Hagler could be dirty too, he just didn't lead with it.

I favor Hagler if there's a good ref.

If it's a ref that's going to let Hop get away with excessive holding, headbutting, etc. then it's going his way.

[Gudfella]

Quote:

Originally Posted by inITtoWINit

Agree. Hopkins is TOO crafty in there. Only a supreme athlete with boxing skills would beat him. Guys like a RJJ or James Toney.

A supreme athlete like Toney? Really?

Hagler was a monster, his conditioning was insane, he was in ridiculous shape and had an iron will and chin. I love Bhop, the guy really is the ancient master and all that, but Hagler would have mauled him I don't care what anyone says. Might not have knocked him out, but he would beat him around the ring for 12, or 15 like Hagler used to go.

Toney would smoke check Bhop also, Toney is a legitimate throwback fighter not just a crafty smart guy who knows the tricks of the trade and a little old school flavor, Toney fights at any weightclass, anywhere, the guy can come off the couch and go 12 rounds.

the guy can come off the couch and go 12 rounds..classic line...I'm stealing that one lmao


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[Bushbaby]

All I'm saying is that it wouldn't be a crime to consider Hopkins as an all time greater fighter considering his career spans more than just middleweight & has the very relevant factor of record breaking longevity.

However Hagler was a better middleweight IMO. He's beaten better fighters (at that weightclass) & also lost to the better fighters at 160. I don't think Taylor's suspect chin would have survived 12 against Hagler, far less 15.

I also am fairly certain that Hagler & his boxing/punching would wear Hopkins down over time. Later in his career Hop was a slow starter. Hagler keeps the pace up at a relentless pace for as long as the fight wears on, too much beast for the Greater Hop, IMO.

[edgarg]

Plus Hopkins had WAY WAY more championship fights

You can't compare Hopkins' "championship" fights with Haglers. Since at least his second fight with Antuofermi, they were all certified killers. Hopkins' were certified "very average".

And Hagler was the uncrowned REAL champion for years before his got a title shot.

[Barn]

I'm sorry, but Hagler just wasn't this unbeatable guy to me. I just can't picture B-hop not out boxing him.

hagler vs vito mosquito

hagler vs mugabi

I don't understand what you're trying to prove here.

Posting two fights Hagler clearly won, and the more difficult and untidy victory against Mugabi was meant to be the last fight of his career.