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  • bojangles1987
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    #21
    Originally posted by Redd Foxx
    I like Hopkins, but his career longevity is due, in part, to cheezing his way through fights with "hit and hold", dirty techniques, etc. I just can't give him as much credit or respect as a guy like Hagler who truly battled his way to victory. Head to head, I can see Hopkins winning this fight, but not without resorting to the aforementioned tactics.
    Thing is, Hagler would be plenty willing and able to return those dirty tactics. So its not like that would throw him off.

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      #22
      Originally posted by bojangles1987
      I think Hagler was the better fighter, and his reign was plenty impressive in its own right. He beat better fighters while ruling middleweight than Hopkins, and was probably the best middleweight in the world for a couple of years beforehand. At least from what I've read. Wasn't alive to know for myself, obviously.
      Hagler is hands down the better fighter, but not the better boxer.

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      • bojangles1987
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        #23
        Originally posted by inITtoWINit
        Hagler is hands down the better fighter, but not the better boxer.
        Hagler was a plenty terrific boxer in his own right. His most well known fights are brawls, but he was a patient fighter that worked behind a great jab. His ring IQ isn't equal to Hopkins, but not many are.

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          #24
          I'm sorry, but Hagler just wasn't this unbeatable guy to me. I just can't picture B-hop not out boxing him.



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          • The Noose
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            #25
            I think Haglers boxing skills at his best are slightly underrated here.

            He wasnt one of those economic crafty boxers, but he always had a very high work rate, could punch hard all night, and moved beautifully. That jab was very long and hurtful, plus he could counter with power.

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              #26
              Originally posted by bojangles1987
              Hagler was a plenty terrific boxer in his own right. His most well known fights are brawls, but he was a patient fighter that worked behind a great jab. His ring IQ isn't equal to Hopkins, but not many are.
              I already know that. Like I said before. Hopkins is the better boxer.

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              • sicko
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                #27
                both are legends, I rate Hagler Higher All Times tho but of course I expect the current group of boxing fans to live in the moment so yeah a lot of them will go with B-Hop just because he is fresh on their minds

                The biggest misconception about Hagler was that he was a "BRAWLER" Hagler wasn't anything close to a Brawler...sure he can get into a brawl because he had a great chin so he was able to do that and beat you that way but that wasn't his Style

                I would have loved to see B-Hop try his tricks on Hagler, none of them would work against someone Like Hagler, try Clinching and Grabbing Hagler if you want, that dude was extremely STRONG

                So Hagler Still Gets The Edge IMO

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by sicko
                  both are legends, I rate Hagler Higher All Times tho but of course I expect the current group of boxing fans to live in the moment so yeah a lot of them will go with B-Hop just because he is fresh on their minds

                  The biggest misconception about Hagler was that he was a "BRAWLER" Hagler wasn't anything close to a Brawler...sure he can get into a brawl because he had a great chin so he was able to do that and beat you that way but that wasn't his Style

                  I would have loved to see B-Hop try his tricks on Hagler, none of them would work against someone Like Hagler, try Clinching and Grabbing Hagler if you want, that dude was extremely STRONG

                  So Hagler Still Gets The Edge IMO
                  LMAO. No one's being a prisoner of the moment. I think anyone that's picking Hopkins is based purely off analysis. Of course Hagler wasn't just a brawler. It's just that Hopkins' boxing was better.

                  It's not like Hopkins would dominate him for 12 rounds. I think that he'd win 7-5, 6-4, something along those lines.

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                  • Bushbaby
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                    #29
                    Simple. Hopkins is the overall greater fighter. But Hagler would have beaten him head to head at 160.

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                    • The Gambler1981
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                      #30
                      Hagler is a better boxer technically than B-Hop, he is much more versatile. It probably would be a close fight because B-Hop does that, but Hagler all day he would make it work. I don't think B-Hop could stop him while maintaining a reasonable level of offense.

                      Hagler's big problem was with were cutesy movers, B-Hop ain't ever been a mover and for all his tricks he ain't a cute boxer.

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