Why don't fans make Andre Ward a draw?

[Weebler I]

What Ward is doing isnt working.

I don't agree. Andre Ward has only been fighting on the big stage for 3 years, mostly against European opponents not well known in the US. Give him time.

It's been repeated multiple times but Mayweather didn't get popular by the way he acts, he got popular through fights with Arturo Gatti, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.

The idea that a fighter has to act in a brash, arrogant way to gain fans is wide of the mark. It's just a way to justify poor behavior.

You tell me. Wheres the support for Bradley? Paul Williams? Andre Dirrell? Ward? etc

Where are their marquee opponents? These guys didn't have an Oscar or Gatti to put their name in lights.

Sure Bradley fought Pacquiao but he lost and got a gift in a boring fight, that's not going to win him any fans but he is better known now than he was before.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't agree. Andre Ward has only been fighting on the big stage for 3 years, mostly against European opponents not well known in the US. Give him time.

It's been repeated multiple times but Mayweather didn't get popular by the way he acts, he got popular through fights with Arturo Gatti, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.

The idea that a fighter has to act in a brash, arrogant way to gain fans is wide of the mark. It's just a way to justify poor behavior.



Where are their marquee opponents? These guys didn't have an Oscar or Gatti to put their name in lights.

Sure Bradley fought Pacquiao but he lost and got a gift in a boring fight, that's not going to win him any fans but he is better known now than he was before.

your missing the point. during the lead up to the gatti and odh fights floyd showed personality and charisma. its not about acting bad or thug, its about the ability to connect with the buying public, whether it be through cheers or boos, and get them to buy a product.

Floyd is a salesman. ward isn't. And floyd doesn't always do bad things. His two best things were the golden chicken and wearing the man u jersey to the hatton presser in england. even giving the fans the finger back.

at some point you have to respect this about floyd.

[THE REED]

All he has to do is keep winning, and the enigma will grow... just like Floyd.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I don't agree. Andre Ward has only been fighting on the big stage for 3 years, mostly against European opponents not well known in the US. Give him time.

It's been repeated multiple times but Mayweather didn't get popular by the way he acts, he got popular through fights with Arturo Gatti, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.

The idea that a fighter has to act in a brash, arrogant way to gain fans is wide of the mark. It's just a way to justify poor behavior.



Where are their marquee opponents? These guys didn't have an Oscar or Gatti to put their name in lights.

Sure Bradley fought Pacquiao but he lost and got a gift in a boring fight, that's not going to win him any fans but he is better known now than he was before.

"The idea that a fighter" Thats not what I said.

It's okay to say what I said. I said BLACK fighters. African-American fighters Weebler I edited the post maybe you should read it again man. Look through history. I'm not making it up as I go man.

Bradley is laughed at every other day on this site for not being a draw you know that. Broner doesnt even really sell out arenas either but why is he talked about so much more than Bradley? A champion? A guy hasnt "lost" a fight either.

Its because he's pretty dull. Like Dunn said even with the ODH build up yeah Floyd was in his face calling him a pu*sy but there were some genuinely funny moments from him during that build up.

[THE REED]

Where are their marquee opponents? These guys didn't have an Oscar or Gatti to put their name in lights.

That's not always the recipe either... Ask Bernard Hopkins.

[The Big Dunn]

All he has to do is keep winning, and the enigma will grow... just like Floyd.

floyd has charisma and personality that ward doesn't. its not the thug crap. its the golden chicken stuff and wearing the man u jersey when hattons fans are big man city fans.

Floyd is a salesman that has shown an ability to connect with the public and get them to buy his product. People "feel" some way about floyd. they react to what he does. Not every very talented fighter can do this.

Its like Ward needs an old school wwf manager like paul bearer or the grand wizard from that can engage the crowd and make them react.

[THE REED]

floyd has charisma and personality that ward doesn't. its not the thug crap. its the golden chicken stuff and wearing the man u jersey when hattons fans are big man city fans.

Floyd is a salesman that has shown an ability to connect with the public and get them to buy his product. People "feel" some way about floyd. they react to what he does. Not every very talented fighter can do this.

Its like Ward needs an old school wwf manager like paul bearer or the grand wizard from that can engage the crowd and make them react.

I agree with you, but his undefeated record also captured the audience... the whole "can he be beaten" schtick majorly assisted in his drawing power... but yes, people do feel some way about him.

[junior gong]

Its not the same post you inbred.

And I have been on this site for what 8/9 years. Joined when I was what 16/17 years old. Ask Pump, ask any poster who has been here since 05 they could probably say some foul things about me but being a racist was NEVER one of them you piece of ****.

And not being a fan of Wlad and Calzaghe doesn't make me a racist you tool especially when Im a fan of Froch.

Not being a fan of Pacquiao doesn't make me a racist when I haven't missed a Pac fight in almost a decade and paid for plenty of his ppvs put money in his pocket and I streamed some just liek I do with Floyd.

Not being a fan of Rios means Im racist when Im a fan of Canelo, JMM, Morales, Barera,, etc I mean give me a ****in break with ****in charade. I wish Reed, BG, Bradd or Banstick would just bounce your ass off this site.

You stalk me non stop. I even put you on ignore but I could go into a random thread make a post quoting any poster and for some reason 9/10 soon after my post I know that you're post is a response to what I said or has someone insult towards me. But you calling me racist over and over naw I 'm not letting that **** slide **** boy.

So go find the quotes of me being racist. Go find them.

I'll save you the time they don't exist you Roger Mellie/Mr.Crust alt. You can't even be yourself on this site because no one wants you here. How's Southampton you troll?

Bumsniff, flojob, floydie, floydiot, bumsniffery, dck, ass fluffer etc that's in your vocabulary daily on this site.


AND THAT IS NO EXAGGERATION. ANYONE COULD VOUCH FOR THAT.


You'll be banned soon and rightfully so. You are an absolutely awful poster and human being for the most part. I mean just go through the old Roger Mellie and Mr Crust post and now the Junior Gong posts. Its embarrassing.

You also have very little to say on the actual sport of boxing for a guy pushing 40. I mean look at your avatar. You are a 36 year old father with an avy like that? Really Roger? You don't have a favorite fighter? Or even a favorite fight poster to put up?

You're pathetic, you're useless and you are confirmed troll. Now go find the all the racist quotes of mine you trolling little ****.

I am almost pissing myself reading that garbage. You are one hurt flojob, thats for sure! You have a constanly race driven agenda, you come over like Riley Freeman from the boondocks(I'd be at the back of the bus wid him!) and calling me this roger dude is a funny one, especially the crap about southampton(where I'm from we arent exactly friendly with that lot to put it mildly). That guy must have gotten to you pretty badly, just like the other former or current posters you and Larry have accused me of being(basically people that have probably made a fool out of you). Funny you speak of alts when you joined in 2005 yet it says you have been here since 2010.

What did your last 15 memberships get banned for? Being a racist prick most likely!

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

That's not always the recipe either... Ask Bernard Hopkins.

Exactly. Even to this day with Hopkins.

[Weebler I]

your missing the point. during the lead up to the gatti and odh fights floyd showed personality and charisma. its not about acting bad or thug, its about the ability to connect with the buying public, whether it be through cheers or boos, and get them to buy a product.

Floyd is a salesman. ward isn't. And floyd doesn't always do bad things. His two best things were the golden chicken and wearing the man u jersey to the hatton presser in england. even giving the fans the finger back.

at some point you have to respect this about floyd.

I'm not arguing against FMJ, I'm arguing against the claim that a black fighter has to be arrogant and disrespectful in order to become a name.

It's not about that imo, it's about consistently winning and beating other well known names.