Vitali's legacy

[JAB5239]

I see dudes get dogged all the time that have way better accomplishments than Vitali.

Seriously what in the grand scheme of boxing history has he done, what fight am I going to tell my kids about that he won? Even if my kids turned in to bigger boxing heads than me I would expect them to say "huh, Who?" when talking about Vitali's best wins .


I mean seriously and I am not even a big time resume guy in determining greatness but you have to beat some reasonably noteworthy guys, not all that is his fault and Vitali is a very good fighter who I am sure could compete with some very quality heavyweight names but he has had a long career and what does he really have to show for it legacy wise that compares in any way favorable to any great heavyweight.

Ive said this exact thing many times. So should you be labled a "hater" too, or am i also right for sharing this opinion?

[daggum]

a lot of fake accounts being created i see. the poll went from 76 percent to 58 quickly yet vitali's resume still stayed the same. empty.

[The Gambler1981]

Ive said this exact thing many times. So should you be labled a "hater" too, or am i also right for sharing this opinion?

I get labeled a lot of things but when certain people label you a certain way you to me that is a positive.

[Weltschmerz]

Vitali would have been a force in any era, that's common knowledge. That's a given and doesn't need to even be discussed.

The thread is about giving an opinion on whether he is an ATG or not.

I think he is and you think he isn't. Not a big deal.

The naysayers use the only real reason that his resume is lacking. All of his other qualities are omitted. And as you pointed out, he along with his bro beat the best of their era, so their resumes can't in fact be 'lacking'. It's a myth that Vitali has a poor resume.

[Weltschmerz]

Solid and notable wins for Vitali:

1998
****y Ryan, Mario Schiesser, Francesco Spinelli

1999
Herbie Hide (wins WBO title)

2000
Timo Hoffmann (wins EBU title)

2001
Ross Puritty

2003
Kirk Johnson

2004
Danny Williams (wins WBC title)

2008
Sam Peter (WBC title)

2009-13
Dominates as WBC King vs notable opponents such as
Gomez (1 loss), Arreola (unbeaten) , Johnson (unbeaten), Solis (unbeaten), Adamek (1 loss), Chisora (2 losses).

Vitali holds the second best knockout-to-fight ratio in the history of hw boxing, over 87 percent. He is currently the 9th longest reigning hw champion in history. He has never been knocked down in a professional boxing match and never lost a decision, his only two losses coming as result of injury, while being ahead on all score cards.

[LacedUp]

Solid and notable wins for Vitali:

1998
****y Ryan, Mario Schiesser, Francesco Spinelli

1999
Herbie Hide (wins WBO title)

2000
Timo Hoffmann (wins EBU title)

2001
Ross Puritty

2003
Kirk Johnson

2004
Danny Williams (wins WBC title)

2008
Sam Peter (WBC title)

2009-13
Dominates as WBC King vs notable opponents such as
Gomez (1 loss), Arreola (unbeaten) , Johnson (unbeaten), Solis (unbeaten), Adamek (1 loss), Chisora (2 losses).

Vitali holds the second best knockout-to-fight ratio in the history of hw boxing, over 87 percent. He is currently the 9th longest reigning hw champion in history. He has never been knocked down in a professional boxing match and never lost a decision, his only two losses coming as result of injury, while being ahead on all score cards.

And which one of those wins is "notable" exactly? I see a lot of journeymen has been pointed out, and some who briefly held a version of the title. I also see fighters who never had a single good win, and were never in the top 10.

So how impressive is that exactly?

[LacedUp]

I see dudes get dogged all the time that have way better accomplishments than Vitali.

Seriously what in the grand scheme of boxing history has he done, what fight am I going to tell my kids about that he won? Even if my kids turned in to bigger boxing heads than me I would expect them to say "huh, Who?" when talking about Vitali's best wins .


I mean seriously and I am not even a big time resume guy in determining greatness but you have to beat some reasonably noteworthy guys, not all that is his fault and Vitali is a very good fighter who I am sure could compete with some very quality heavyweight names but he has had a long career and what does he really have to show for it legacy wise that compares in any way favorable to any great heavyweight.

And //Thread.

This is all that needs to be said.

[DreamFighter]

in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king.


Such as King Vitali, when TKOed in 6.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Solid and notable wins for Vitali:

1998
****y Ryan, Mario Schiesser, Francesco Spinelli

1999
Herbie Hide (wins WBO title)

2000
Timo Hoffmann (wins EBU title)

2001
Ross Puritty

2003
Kirk Johnson

2004
Danny Williams (wins WBC title)

2008
Sam Peter (WBC title)

2009-13
Dominates as WBC King vs notable opponents such as
Gomez (1 loss), Arreola (unbeaten) , Johnson (unbeaten), Solis (unbeaten), Adamek (1 loss), Chisora (2 losses).

Vitali holds the second best knockout-to-fight ratio in the history of hw boxing, over 87 percent. He is currently the 9th longest reigning hw champion in history. He has never been knocked down in a professional boxing match and never lost a decision, his only two losses coming as result of injury, while being ahead on all score cards.

Apart from Ryan, Schiesser, Spinelli and Puritty, I agree with your list . These are definitely notable wins. I would maybe erase Johnson from the list as he is a master in defense but he fights like a little girl. I would add, instead of Johnson , Corrie Sanders.

To me, what makes Vitali trully an Atg is his style and his mental toughness.

He barely got hit during his career. The only time he got hit was against Lewis who is also an amazing fighter.

He had to go through something like 7 surgeries ( or even more) , had to retire during 4 years and came back stronger than ever.

That is being a true champion : having the skill and the will.

[Jam Jars]

Solid and notable wins for Vitali:

1998
****y Ryan, Mario Schiesser, Francesco Spinelli

1999
Herbie Hide (wins WBO title)

2000
Timo Hoffmann (wins EBU title)

2001
Ross Puritty

2003
Kirk Johnson

2004
Danny Williams (wins WBC title)

2008
Sam Peter (WBC title)

2009-13
Dominates as WBC King vs notable opponents such as
Gomez (1 loss), Arreola (unbeaten) , Johnson (unbeaten), Solis (unbeaten), Adamek (1 loss), Chisora (2 losses).

Vitali holds the second best knockout-to-fight ratio in the history of hw boxing, over 87 percent. He is currently the 9th longest reigning hw champion in history. He has never been knocked down in a professional boxing match and never lost a decision, his only two losses coming as result of injury, while being ahead on all score cards.

Garbage resume and he's a title holder not the champion. If there was 1 title like back in the day he'd be a nobody.