Vitali's legacy

[LacedUp]

I already told you I'm done responsing to you since it's pointless. Put me on ignore please.

He gives up after his horrible double standards and hypocritical argument is exposed.

[Weltschmerz]

At least you are not completely ignorant.

Nobody on here is saying Vitali has the best resume. He may have had a lot greater resume had he not retired for 4 years but it is what it is. Had he not retired, fighting 2 times a year he would be 23-2 in title fights now and would put him on the great heavyweight reign discussion.

That being said, Vitali may not have an ATG resume, but he's an ATG heavyweight fighter. No doubt.

The whole discussion is not based solely on resume, otherwise, Wladimir would be 2nd or 3rd all time right now.

You haters can't have it both ways.

This is the exact point I have been trying to explain to people in this thread. All time greatness is based not only on resume, but on how opponents are beat with skill, style, ring performance, generalship, longevity, dominance, effectiveness, virtuosity, etc. H2H debate can be taken into consideration too.

It can be made into a more abstract term than just 'resume' and 'who beat who.'

[Weltschmerz]

Boxing Goat owning all the haters.

Good man.

[Boxing Goat]

Wladimir is currently in the 2nd longest heavyweight title reign of all time and has the 4th most defences all time. Hence, me saying if being an atg is based on resume only, he would be top 3. Duh, duh, duh........

[Boxing Goat]

He gives up after his horrible double standards and hypocritical argument is exposed.

I never give up if I care. It's obvious you're a dimwit so it's pointless and I don't.

Ignore me and I'll ignore you back. Deal?

[Boxing Goat]

This is the exact point I have been trying to explain to people in this thread. All time greatness is based not only on resume, but on how opponents are beat with skill, style, ring performance, generalship, longevity, dominance, effectiveness, virtuosity, etc. H2H debate can be taken into consideration too.

It can be made into a more abstract term than just 'resume' and 'who beat who.'

We can't get a valid point across because they don't want to hear or understand it.

[LacedUp]

I never give up if I care. It's obvious you're a dimwit so it's pointless and I don't.

Ignore me and I'll ignore you back. Deal?

You said technically Wlad was never lineal champ, because Vitali retired on it. So did Lennox.

It's not my fault you don't know what you're talking about. Your arguments are crap which is why all the decent and respected posters here disagree with your logic.

Lol at the ignore part. What kind of loser are you?

[LacedUp]

I never give up if I care. It's obvious you're a dimwit so it's pointless and I don't.

Ignore me and I'll ignore you back. Deal?

Ah, Aug 2013 - Wienerschnitzel you old dog. You almost had me. Isn't this your 5th alt? Be careful you don't get banned again.

[JAB5239]

You know this isn't possible today with the governing bodies, promotion, etc. You have to compare in more relative terms, if you want to talk all time greatness and compare previous fighters with current. But I'm not surprised, knowing your agenda.

And this is exactly why paper titles are meaningless and Vittles is and has not been a real champion besides his win over Sanders and than the almighty and immortal Danny Williams. He has made a conscious choice to NOT fight the best for most of his career by holding on to the WBC trinket the he KNOWS will allow him to get away without fighting more top fighters than not. If you didn't have the agenda you would understand this.

[JAB5239]

No, he wasn't. Same people claim Bowe is better than Lennox too.

He beat better fighters than Vitaly and was clearly more skilled. No?