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  • JAB5239
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    #681
    Originally posted by Tommo1
    Weltschmerz;

    How the hell can it be a weak resume? That is almost actually ******ed when you think about it.

    Look at the opponents of Louis and Ali who are rated at the top of such US lists, HOF and ATG.

    MOST of Louis's opponents and HALF, "HALF!" of Ali's opponents Vitali would not be allowed to KO because they were not even real HW's, they are today CW's and light heavies! Vitali fought only real HW's entire record. Median opponent weight about 40lbs, FORTY! more than Ali's and god knows how much heftier than Louis's. And the taller opponents by FAR!

    What about the records? Of the real HW opponents Vitali fought, he has beaten more opponents with quality records (that is to say, winning most of their fights and winning them against HW's) than Ali or Louis's opponents!

    Of course the hater will like to claim that it is because fighters are protected now and don't fight each other which may be true to an extent but come on, where is the basis for such bias!

    Vitali is a great, everyone knows who he is and what he's done who likes boxing and HW boxing. Nobody is forgetting the Klitschko's.
    This is a joke of an argument since you've already claimed Vits beat who was put in front of him and that's all he could do. These fighters did the same, except their comp faced off against other top contenders time and again. That in itself makes them superior.

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      #682
      Originally posted by B-Bomber
      Vitali is not an ATG,

      he just didn't do enough, I am suprised to see so many replies, and so many people arguing on his being an ATG.

      That said, Vitali is not the "jab-jab-grab" kind of fighter, he opens up quite a bit and relies on his chin. Even though way past his prime now, I would not define Vitali boring, on the contrary, I find his style rather crowd- friendly.

      I do though agree about Wladimir being boring, and I like fighters like Rigondeaux , Mayweather , Willie Pep (a white guy, so no racist card please ) etc, but his "jab-jab- grab" style is a nightmare. How many rounds did it take him to dispose of Pianeta?, a guy who obviously had no business being in that fight.
      That was meant for Wlad.

      I was liking Vitali quite bit once, but his resume is just not good enough at all to be considered an ATG.

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        #683
        Originally posted by Weltschmerz
        Yeah because Vitali wasn't out of the game for 4 years, was he?
        Read it again SLOWLY you ****** ****. The 4 years he was out was not counted. So what's your next excuse, Einstein?

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          #684
          If Vitali had fought all on that list he would have had 70-80 fights. Taking out his 4 year layoff, he would have had to fight 6/7 times a year!

          Obviously he can't fight everybody right! There is always gonna be a stone unturned. Even Holyfield didn't fight everybody literally!

          Vitali I would tip to beat all on the list. Some of them there would have been no motivation for them to fight Vitali, early in his career. Later there would have been no motivation for Vitali to fight some of them!

          Tyson - Vitali KO6
          Holyfield - Vitali UD
          Tua - Vitali UD
          Maskaev - Vitali KO6
          Rahman -Vitali UD
          Ruiz - Vitali KO1
          McCline - Vitali KO6
          O'Quendo - Vitali KO3
          Jones jr - Vitali KO3
          Toney - Vitali KO4
          Golota - Vitali UD
          Brewster - Vitali KO5
          Barret - Vitali KO3
          Chagaev
          Povetkin
          Valuev
          Dimitrenko
          Chambers
          Haye
          Boystov
          Thompson
          Helenius
          Pulev
          Fury

          Got sick of it let's cut to the chase. Only fighter he may have ducked was Rahman but I don't buy it. Vitali would have beaten that version of Rahman quite easy imo.

          Only fighter I do think he'd struggle with is David Haye!

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            #685
            Originally posted by LacedUp
            Says the guy who keeps saying the he is one of the longest reigning heavyweights of all time.
            LMAO!!!

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              #686
              Originally posted by Tommo1
              If Vitali had fought all on that list he would have had 70-80 fights. Taking out his 4 year layoff, he would have had to fight 6/7 times a year!

              Obviously he can't fight everybody right! There is always gonna be a stone unturned. Even Holyfield didn't fight everybody literally!

              Vitali I would tip to beat all on the list. Some of them there would have been no motivation for them to fight Vitali, early in his career. Later there would have been no motivation for Vitali to fight some of them!

              Tyson - Vitali KO6
              Holyfield - Vitali UD
              Tua - Vitali UD
              Maskaev - Vitali KO6
              Rahman -Vitali UD
              Ruiz - Vitali KO1
              McCline - Vitali KO6
              O'Quendo - Vitali KO3
              Jones jr - Vitali KO3
              Toney - Vitali KO4
              Golota - Vitali UD
              Brewster - Vitali KO5
              Barret - Vitali KO3
              Chagaev
              Povetkin
              Valuev
              Dimitrenko
              Chambers
              Haye
              Boystov
              Thompson
              Helenius
              Pulev
              Fury

              Got sick of it let's cut to the chase. Only fighter he may have ducked was Rahman but I don't buy it. Vitali would have beaten that version of Rahman quite easy imo.

              Only fighter I do think he'd struggle with is David Haye!
              Resorting to fantasy results I see.

              Clear sign of a Klitschko nuthugger. Fact is, Vitali didn't fight any of those guys.

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              • Weltschmerz
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                #687
                Originally posted by JAB5239
                And I see you still have no argument for it.
                Well from your list you of course fail to mention his opponents achievements, merely discrediting and ridiculing them to make Vitali look a lesser fighter.

                You don't mention that Solis is an Olympic gold medal winner, that Peter was WBC champ, a feared knock out artist with notable wins over Toney and Maskaev, that Adamek is former two division world champ, that Arreola was knocking out guys in spectacular fashion being unbeaten himself at the time and considered Americas HW hope, that Hide was two time HW champ and won just about all of his fights by KO before Vitali demolished him, or that Sanders had one of the most devastating left hands ever with which he knocked out the HW champ Wladimir before giving Vitali one of the toughest fights in his career.

                You agenda has been once again exposed!
                Last edited by Weltschmerz; 08-22-2013, 06:34 AM.

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                  #688
                  Originally posted by Tommo1
                  If Vitali had fought all on that list he would have had 70-80 fights. Taking out his 4 year layoff, he would have had to fight 6/7 times a year!

                  Obviously he can't fight everybody right! There is always gonna be a stone unturned. Even Holyfield didn't fight everybody literally!

                  Vitali I would tip to beat all on the list. Some of them there would have been no motivation for them to fight Vitali, early in his career. Later there would have been no motivation for Vitali to fight some of them!

                  Tyson - Vitali KO6
                  Holyfield - Vitali UD
                  Tua - Vitali UD
                  Maskaev - Vitali KO6
                  Rahman -Vitali UD
                  Ruiz - Vitali KO1
                  McCline - Vitali KO6
                  O'Quendo - Vitali KO3
                  Jones jr - Vitali KO3
                  Toney - Vitali KO4
                  Golota - Vitali UD
                  Brewster - Vitali KO5
                  Barret - Vitali KO3
                  Chagaev
                  Povetkin
                  Valuev
                  Dimitrenko
                  Chambers
                  Haye
                  Boystov
                  Thompson
                  Helenius
                  Pulev
                  Fury

                  Got sick of it let's cut to the chase. Only fighter he may have ducked was Rahman but I don't buy it. Vitali would have beaten that version of Rahman quite easy imo.

                  Only fighter I do think he'd struggle with is David Haye!
                  You're missing the point. He in fact did not fight everyone as you claimed. But had he fought some of these guys instead of his endless resume of unrated (top 10) or only WBC rated fighters his resume would have been much more impressive. He instead chose to take a soft path. For Christ sake, John Ruiz fought better fighters than Vits, beat them, and is considered one of the worst titlists in recent memory.

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                  • LacedUp
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                    #689
                    Originally posted by Weltschmerz
                    Well from your list you of course fail to mention his opponents achievements, merely discrediting and ridiculing them to make Vitali look a lesser fighter.

                    You don't mention that Solis is an Olympic gold medal winner, that Peter was WBC champ, a feared knock out artist with notable wins over Toney and Maskaev, that Adamek is former two division world champ, that Arreola was knocking out guys in spectacular fashion being unbeaten himself at the time and considered Americas HW hope, that Hide was two time HW champ and won just about all of his fights by KO before Vitali demolished him, or that Sanders had one of the most devastating left hands ever with which he knocked out the HW champ Wladimir before giving Vitali one of the toughest fights in his career.

                    You agenda has been once again exposed!
                    lol.

                    1) Solis amateur record has nothing to do with his pro credentials. I've seen you slag off Haye's win over Audley Harrison, another Gold medal winner.

                    2) Notable wins over Toney? People thought he lost ffs! bet you never even saw the fight. Also, Toney was a fat, midget looking former middleweight.

                    3) Sanders, best left hand ever? You must be joking. He was fat and on the golf course in his mind, yet still managed to hurt Vitali.

                    YOUR agenda has once again been exposed!

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                    • Weltschmerz
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                      #690
                      Originally posted by JAB5239
                      Read it again SLOWLY you ****** ****. The 4 years he was out was not counted. So what's your next excuse, Einstein?
                      That Wladimir took his share of those fights. Actually, Vitali has always been so kind to his younger sibling, allowing him to keep all them belts.

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