Where does Manny rank all time?

[The Tase]

And that's probably because you don't know enough about the rest.

You picked Hearns and Hagler but not:

Charles, Armstrong, Canzoneri, McLarnin, Ross, Walker?

You mean these guys?










your exactly the type im talking about. the vanguard of the great white hopes.

look at these guys ffs...



these guys would get utterly domianted by floyd and manny. There's a reason why as soon as civil rights started becoming a reality the number of great white fighters started declining.


but carry on preserving your history.

[The Tase]

no thanks.

[lparm]

No, because not all of the guys you named for Pacquaio are in the HOF and may not be eventually.

Johnson is 1-4 with Moore, not 1-5. And, pretty much all of those fights were said to be close. And in the infamous 5th fight, Johnson was dominating before the stoppage.

But I won't stand here and compare Johnson to Archie Moore. The fact he beat him at all speaks volumes.

And, you said Pacquaio has 4 wins over 100% HOF'ers. So does Johnson.

And, again, Johnson has two wins over Top 10 ATG's.

Funny you say a "faded" Ezzard Charles then list the guys you do for Pacquaio.

A list of fighters on that list have beaten more HOF'ers than Pacquaio.

But again, more importantly than who, is when.

List the guys I do?

The only guy that was faded that is HOF when Manny beat him was oscar.

Or are you suggesting MAB, Erik, JMM were all as faded as Ezzard when Manny beat them the first time?

You keep sticking to this win Harold had over Archie. Yes it's a good win but when you lose 5 out of 6 it's very clear you didn't have superiority over the other fighter. A win is a win but compare than win to 5 losses including KO losses and it's not as impressive.

[iLovesoccermoms]

top 45-60 i feel

[crold1]

no thanks.

I love when people post this footage. You do realize they're not even in a ring, using oversized gloves, and O'Brien was getting up there in age? That old cameras had a different frame rate and so people would exaggerate movements when they rolled for training footage? They'd do weird arm motions they never did in the ring. Watch Dempsey training press footage and the way he threw in the ring.

We can see guys like Walker and Tunney on film, guys whose styles translate well to any era. Greb beat them. He didn't do it fighting like he did for 1920s silent celebrity stills.

You mean these guys?








But in boxing, interracial contests were never rare in lower weight classes. Title shots could be harder to come by, more at Heavyweight than anywhere else, but fights happened. Greb fought Flowers and Norfolk and others etc. Unless you can show some mountain of evidence that Canzo or Ross were ducking anyone who wasn't white (and you can't), keep this sort of nonsense to yourself.


your exactly the type im talking about. the vanguard of the great white hopes.

look at these guys ffs...



these guys would get utterly domianted by floyd and manny. There's a reason why as soon as civil rights started becoming a reality the number of great white fighters started declining.


but carry on preserving your history.

But in the lower weights, interracial fights weren't rare and results weren't lopsided. Title shots sometimes, but not really fights. Boxing never had the same sort of competitive segregation other sports did.

Before you make ignorant comments about guys like Canzoneri being some example of an old racist past, it might be better to remember he actually FOUGHT Kid Chocolate and won (in a title fight no less). That Armstrong split with Ambers and got a crack from Ross. That Greb fought guys like Norfolk and Flowers, losing his title to the latter but also winning a news nod.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Top 35 All time for me.

[lparm]

top 45-60 i feel

You'd potentially put Manny at 60?

Ok if that's the case lets see your 59 better accomplished fighters then.

[lparm]

The hardest thing to look past with the old fighters is the sheer numbers.

When you see things like 150 wins you think "wow they were awesome" but then you see they beat old Sid the chimney sweeper 16 times in one year or Harry the young newsboy 23 times. It doesn't look as good.

[IronDanHamza]

List the guys I do?

The only guy that was faded that is HOF when Manny beat him was oscar.

Or are you suggesting MAB, Erik, JMM were all as faded as Ezzard when Manny beat them the first time?

Ezzard Charles was passed his best, but he was still considered to be one of the best LHW's in the world and one of the best fighters all together.

He beat Rex Layne the same year he lost to Johnson. He beat Bivins the year before that and went on to give Rocky Marciano one of his toughest fights.

And of course, he was absolutely less faded then Erik Morales.

But Barrera and Marquez were in or close to their prime so not those two. But of course, Ezzard Charles is a lot greater than both of those two by an incredibly wide margin.

You keep sticking to this win Harold had over Archie. Yes it's a good win but when you lose 5 out of 6 it's very clear you didn't have superiority over the other fighter. A win is a win but compare than win to 5 losses including KO losses and it's not as impressive.

Again, they only had 5 fights.

And Archie Moore is superior to Johnson. Vastly superior. Moore is a Top 10 ATG. Harold Johnson? Not even close.

But, he holds a win over him.

[IronDanHamza]

I love when people post this footage. You do realize they're not even in a ring, using oversized gloves, and O'Brien was getting up there in age? That old cameras had a different frame rate and so people would exaggerate movements when they rolled for training footage? They'd do weird arm motions they never did in the ring. Watch Dempsey training press footage and the way he threw in the ring.

We can see guys like Walker and Tunney on film, guys whose styles translate well to any era. Greb beat them. He didn't do it fighting like he did for 1920s silent celebrity stills.



But in the lower weights, interracial fights weren't rare and results weren't lopsided. Title shots sometimes, but not really fights. Boxing never had the same sort of competitive segregation other sports did.

Before you make ignorant comments about guys like Canzoneri being some example of an old racist past, it might be better to remember he actually FOUGHT Kid Chocolate and won (in a title fight no less). That Armstrong split with Ambers and got a crack from Ross. That Greb fought guys like Norfolk and Flowers, losing his title to the latter but also winning a news nod.

This was exactly what I was referring to in my post.

I mean, seriously?