Martinez trainer says no ward fight, moving to 154

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yup no reason why he shouldnt.

On top of the weight he allegedly tore some shyt in his knee and broke a hand.

Ive been on this site long enough to know what happens if he moves down and gets KTFO by Cotto, Canelo or Floyd. Because imo at 154 all 3 are the likely result if hes not healthy.

Dawson shouldve did the same thing....

Even Oscar said hell let me fight Forbes at 150 atleast. And when Forbes busted his ass up he shouldve known then to back off.

But money talks as Martinez will likely find out.

De La Hoya and Dawson hadn't fought at those weights in almost a decade. Sergio was at 154 not that long ago and only moved up because no one at 154 wanted to fight him. He weighs in on average at 157/158.

Its not the same thing.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I dont think they are saying he is ducking Ward , I think they are saying its the same deal , Floyd is not that interested in Sergio at 154 an up as he is not a true JMW , and Sergio is not that interested in Ward because he is not a 168 fighter .

Its not the same thing. Sergio is willing to move down to where Floyd is currently campaigning (154), if Ward was willing to move down to 160 THEN it'd be the same thing. Why don't people get that?

[hookoutofhell]

Martinez has earned his dues. His fought the tough fights with little recognition. He rules the mw division and deservedly so. I'd love a fight with Geale more so than Golovkin, unless Golovkin can beat Geale. Either way, great fights but Martinez doesn't want the B crowd anymore, his done with them. He is only one of a handful of fighters over the last decade that I would say are truly great.

Mayweather and Cotto don't want a piece of Maravilla.

agreed - dude has defeintely paid his dues and is entitled to chase the big fights with cotto, canelo or floyd.

problem is none of those guys will mix it with him so maybe sergio should call them out. another thing is sergio is 37 now and in his last fight he took alot of punishment.

agreed that floyd probably won't fight sergio and thats fair play. floyd himself is a medium to small WW so fighting a big LMW is too much of a risk. however floyds cherry picking of fights at 154 is not good for boxing.

[Fists_of_Fury]

agreed - dude has defeintely paid his dues and is entitled to chase the big fights with cotto, canelo or floyd.

problem is none of those guys will mix it with him so maybe sergio should call them out. another thing is sergio is 37 now and in his last fight he took alot of punishment.

agreed that floyd probably won't fight sergio and thats fair play. floyd himself is a medium to small WW so fighting a big LMW is too much of a risk. however floyds cherry picking of fights at 154 is not good for boxing.

Sergio is no PPV draw and the numbers are from Chavez Jr. fans and people who wanted to see Chavez Jr. get exposed. You can pay your dues all you want but that doesn't mean you deserve a shot at the money fights when you bring no money. I like Martinez but he gets way too much credit for fighting who again?

Sergio took no punishment but the punishment he pretty much gave himself by breaking his hand and still mixing it up with Chavez Jr. Sergio only got hit a little bit in the last round yet he took a lot of punishment lol!

Floyd doesn't belong at 154lbs and never has. He arguable fought the best 154lbs. fighter in DLH and Cotto at the time... how the **** is that a cherry pick? If Floyd fights again at 154lbs it needs to be against the guy who brings the most money since there's still guys at 147lbs to fight where he belongs. The Pac fight needs to happen before a Martinez fight. Plus Sergio needs to prove he can comfortably make 154lbs and beat a legit guy. I'd like to see all these other bigger guys fight in their 5th weight division. Martinez @ 175lbs would be nice to see... would anyone give him a chance against Ward or Dawson?

[dibzvincent143]

May-martinez at 160.. then I'll believe Floyd got some real balls. May-martinez at 154, good fight if sergio is just okay, but doesnt change the fact that floyd is still running from pac, for some very very ****** reasons.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Its not the same thing. Sergio is willing to move down to where Floyd is currently campaigning (154), if Ward was willing to move down to 160 THEN it'd be the same thing. Why don't people get that?

How's it not the same thing? Floyd currently owns both a 147lb. and 154lb. belt. He only moved up to fight Cotto. I doubt he moved up to stay at 154lbs... remember the last time he went to 154lbs he went back down to campaign at his true weight at 147lbs. Cotto and DLH were money fights and Martinez isn't. All the big fights happen because of money. Ward started at 160lbs and Martinez goes into the ring not much smaller than Ward. Ward was 176lbs vs Dawson while Martinez was 167lbs for Chavez Jr. Plus Chavez Jr was definitely bigger than Ward come fight night... Chavez Jr. was atleast 180lbs. It's less of a weight advantage for Ward than what Martinez would have on Floyd. It's ok for one guy to prey on a smaller guy but not for him to fight a bigger guy? Martinez will only fight a bigger guy if they have no speed, jab, or movement. Hell if Ortiz could make 147 and weighed 165lbs fight night than Martinez could do the same.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

How's it not the same thing? Floyd currently owns both a 147lb. and 154lb. belt. He only moved up to fight Cotto. I doubt he moved up to stay at 154lbs... remember the last time he went to 154lbs he went back down to campaign at his true weight at 147lbs. Cotto and DLH were money fights and Martinez isn't. All the big fights happen because of money. Ward started at 160lbs and Martinez goes into the ring not much smaller than Ward. Ward was 176lbs vs Dawson while Martinez was 167lbs for Chavez Jr. Plus Chavez Jr was definitely bigger than Ward come fight night... Chavez Jr. was atleast 180lbs. It's less of a weight advantage for Ward than what Martinez would have on Floyd. It's ok for one guy to prey on a smaller guy but not for him to fight a bigger guy? Martinez will only fight a bigger guy if they have no speed, jab, or movement. Hell if Ortiz could make 147 and weighed 165lbs fight night than Martinez could do the same.

Its not the same thing cos Ward is not coming down to 160 whereas Sergio is willing to move down to 154 to fight Mayweather or Cotto.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Its not the same thing cos Ward is not coming down to 160 whereas Sergio is willing to move down to 154 to fight Mayweather or Cotto.

AND SERGIO IS NOT THE SAME AS OSCAR DE LA HOYA AND MIGUEL COTTO WHEN IT COMES TO BEING A MONEY DRAW therefore Floyd will not fight him at 154lbs! Floyd only fought Cotto and De La Hoya at 154lbs because it was a big payday.

If Martinez fought a guy on fight night that weighs more than what Ward does fight night than what's the big difference though?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

AND SERGIO IS NOT THE SAME AS OSCAR DE LA HOYA AND MIGUEL COTTO WHEN IT COMES TO BEING A MONEY DRAW therefore Floyd will not fight him at 154lbs! Floyd only fought Cotto and De La Hoya at 154lbs because it was a big payday.

If Martinez fought a guy on fight night that weighs more than what Ward does fight night than what's the big difference though?

The difference is that Chavez weighed in at 160.

Yes I know Floyd likes big money fights with little risk. That's well established.

[Fists_of_Fury]

The difference is that Chavez weighed in at 160.

Yes I know Floyd likes big money fights with little risk. That's well established.

Same can be said about Martinez!