What do you want from Canelo

[BoxingGenius27]

if you have a problem with boxing being a business i'd like to hear a solution

otherwise you're doing nothing but complaining


i have valid points. ask around. i know what the hell i am talking about.

i know what this game looks like and how it works, and i know that if you were in charge of it with your motives it would not exist.


i dont have to agree with the actions of a promotor as a fan to understand them and realize that it's the way it's got to be

If GBP actually made Canelo-Lara/Kirkland/Vanes/Trout today, we wouldn't be hearing this whole BBC thing from you. You would love it and talk about how Canelo would destroy all the above.

My problem is fans like yourself take what they're given and love it. You take that 12incher with a coke and a smile.

"Whatever" GBP decides to do, "you" will be fine with it, because you trust their business decisions.

Canelo vs injured Kirkland. You're fine with it.

Canelo vs P. Williams. You're fine with it.

Canelo vs Ortiz. You're fine with it.

Canelo vs Lopez. You're fine with.

Do you not notice a trend here????

You're fine with anything/everything they throw at you bro LMAO

You love all their business decisions. You're trying to win votes on the BBC legislation board.

[New England]

Why not fight a relatively easy opponent within the division, someone top 10 ranked that Alvarez could beat? I get that he is being kept out of danger because of the Mayweather fight he will almost certainly get, but why fight Lopez? Why fight Mayorga? He can fight easy fights without fighting absurd opponents like this.

He's not even fighting in his own division. That's the biggest problem, belt or no he if he is going to fight welterweights, move back down to welterweight.

ryan rhodes would get the trash kicked out of him by victor ortiz and he was highly ranked when canelo wrecked him.

he fits the bill of the bolded section. i'm just throwing that out there.


i'm not saying lopez is the perfect opponent. you're a bright guy and you understand that.

better than mayorga.


if i had a pick i'd fight lara
if i was bankrolling canelo or otherwise, i'd fight lara. a real step up, a fight fans want to see and might actually pay for, and it's a fight he can win that fits the standards you laid out in the bold.


but that's too much risk for goldenboy and i can understand their motives. i am not paying their bills for them.

[New England]

If GBP actually made Canelo-Lara/Kirkland/Vanes today, we wouldn't be hearing this whole BBC thing from you. You would love it and talk about how Canelo would destroy all the above.

My problem is fans like yourself take what they're given and love it. You take that 12incher with a coke and a smile.

"Whatever" GBP decides to do, "you" will be fine with it, because you trust their business decisions.

Canelo vs injured Kirkland. You're fine with it.

Canelo vs P. Williams. You're fine with it.

Canelo vs Ortiz. You're fine with it.

Canelo vs Lopez. You're fine with.

Do you not notice a trend here????

You're fine with anything/everything they throw at you bro LMAO

You love all their business decisions. You're trying to win votes on the BBC legislation board.

no, that's how you think i feel, and it's wrong. it's got a lot more to do with your inability to pick up on what i'm actually saying than what i believe is right.

you think i am a fan boy and that's what's shaping my persepective

hey guys who actually know me, am i a fanboy?


i was around before saul flippin alvarez and i'll be around when he's gone.


you're talking about the way you want it to be as a fan, and i agree with it. of course i'd love to see canelo fight a monster. i've said that 10X in these threads.
i'm talking about the way it is. you clearly dont understand the concept of risk.


nobody is on my ignore list. i love to have discussions with people who don't agree with me. this game is inherently subjective. put five sages of boxing in a room and they'll end up arguing.

if you simply refuse to read what i have to say and continue with your childish BBC nonsense you'll be the first.

you lose a ton of crediblity in my eyes when you put a red karma in my box calling me "******" and telling me to shut up.

you really cant expect a child / teenager to understand anything.

[BoxingGenius27]

no, that's how you think i feel, and it's wrong. it's got a lot more to do with your inability to pick up on what i'm actually saying than what i believe is right.

you think i am a fan boy and that's what's shaping my persepective

hey guys who actually know me, am i a fanboy?


i was around before saul flippin alvarez and i'll be around when he's gone.


you're talking about the way you want it to be as a fan, and i agree with it. of course i'd love to see canelo fight a monster. i've said that 10X in these threads.
i'm talking about the way it is. you clearly dont understand the concept of risk.


nobody is on my ignore list. i love to have discussions with people who don't agree with me. this game is inherently subjective. put five sages of boxing in a room and they'll end up arguing.

if you simply refuse to read what i have to say and continue with your childish BBC nonsense you'll be the first.

you lose a ton of crediblity in my eyes when you put a red karma in my box calling me "******" and telling me to shut up.

you really cant expect a child / teenager to understand anything.

I hear what you're saying loud and clear.

You're saying boxing is a business so why risk your money maker against a legit 154'lber that deserves it. I hear what you're saying.

What I'm saying is if GBP went against what you just said today and matched Canelo against a legit 154 lb'er that deserves it, your whole boxing is a business perspective would change and everything you said up until this point would go out the window. You would not only agree with the fight, but find some kind of hidden reason to why GBP made the fight as if you have a backdoor inside DLH/Schaefer's psyche.

[Bushbaby]

I hear what you're saying loud and clear.

You're saying boxing is a business so why risk your money maker against a legit 154'lber that deserves it. I hear what you're saying.

What I'm saying is if GBP went against what you just said today and matched Canelo against a legit 154 lb'er that deserves it, your whole boxing is a business perspective would change and everything you said up until this point would go out the window. You would not only agree with the fight, but find some kind of hidden reason to why GBP made the fight as if you have a backdoor inside DLH/Schaefer's psyche.

The simple truth is that anyone that continues to defend the level of competition ginger is engaging simply feels that way. They're ok with it because they understand that boxing is a business & if they want to see fights, they got to take whatever they're given.

[garfios]

It just seems there is a lot of built up hate for the kid he is 21 folks,kid has 6-10 years left of his prime and he needs to face the likes of Lara like that name has any selling power,whatever a catchweight fight would be cool to me and we all know Josesito will come to fight so i dont get the *****ing.
I will tell you who wins any of these fights talked about the ginger kid you all are hating on.

age is not an excuse when you are a belt holder, he hasn't fought a JMW in ages and hasn't defend the belt that he won from a WW against a ranked JMW, if he is not ready just vacte the belt and keep padding your record until you are, he is taking food from deseving fighters that are ready to fight the best.

[garfios]

the belt

again with the belt

why so much respect for the sanctity of the WBC's friggin belt now?


there are four of those things excluding diamond, interim, silver, super, emeritus, etc

the WBA used to keep many interim champions per division.


what the hell is even going on.

There's no respect for the belt it's leverage and the media is to blame here too, when talking about Canelo or other "Champs" they call them World Champions

[lefthook2daliva]

It comes with the fame/attention he's getting, Canelo is now a big name in boxing and people are going to have big expectaions for him from here on out. It's crazy the kid is barely 21 and the pressure is already on. I see it both ways, I'm upset GBP opted for Lopez but I also understand they tried making some very good fights that fell apart for different reasons that were not Canelo's. We all wanted the Lara fight, but I also feel that's a fight that cane be built up into a big event in the near future.

You make some not unreasonable points here, imo, except that they could just abandon the date until a suitable match can be made. Wtf?

Or are the big egos at the top too far invested in some kind of adolescent ****-measuring contest to do something that makes sense?

[New England]

I hear what you're saying loud and clear.

You're saying boxing is a business so why risk your money maker against a legit 154'lber that deserves it. I hear what you're saying.

What I'm saying is if GBP went against what you just said today and matched Canelo against a legit 154 lb'er that deserves it, your whole boxing is a business perspective would change and everything you said up until this point would go out the window. You would not only agree with the fight, but find some kind of hidden reason to why GBP made the fight as if you have a backdoor inside DLH/Schaefer's psyche.

that's what a 16 year old fanboy does and i'm not that. that is where you are wrong

additionally, i've gone out and said that i would have matched canelo more stringently

i have no ties with goldenboy in the least. i dont get where the hell you come up with this stuff, but it's completely unfounded and essentially fabricated.


go check through my posts, kid
i'm about as unbiased a poster as you'll find around here. i never participated in any "GBP / TR or pacquiao/mayweather wars."

in fact, when that was going on i posted exclusively in the history section.

and i'm certainly not "******," per your tremendously mature red karma message.

[New England]

There's no respect for the belt it's leverage and the media is to blame here too, when talking about Canelo or other "Champs" they call them World Champions

i can agree with that.

the networks get more views
writers get more hits

for a leather belt with little or no meaning.

the belt is who it's owned by. if bernard hopkins defends his belts forever at MW it's a big deal. if tito trinidad defends the IBF belt against all the best WW for 6 years then it's a big deal and an accomplishment to take it from him.


when the belts are given out like candy to undeserving fighters and fights
stripped,
split up,
they mean nothing.