So Pacman beats Martinez at 154, how??

[shade darkar]

I'd really like to know how some think so, I mean really. We're talking about a Pacman that wanted to fight an early 2012 version of Cotto, but no higher than a mannyweight of 148.

We're talking about a Pacman that couldn't even beat a lightweight at a mannyweight of 144 convincingly.

We're talking about a Pacman that struggled with a shot Mosley proven shot 2 fights & an entire year before.

Now while Martinez isn't fighting world beaters lately, he's still bigger, & better than any fighter that Pacman has beaten over 130. (Excluding the great Marquez) who pfp all time is better than Martinez, (just not at welterweight vs Martinez at 154).

So the question is: How does a Pacman that can't beat shot, or tiny fighters, beat a bigger, stronger, fast & elite fighter like Martinez?

i wouldnt be surprised if pacquiao beat martinez. martinez is so over rated it isnt even funny. whats his best win? paul williams? lol. and martinez aint no elite fighter.

[Elotero]

im not picking MP to win, and im not making any prediction... but here are some points...

MP is a a lot better than macklin, pavlik and williams... the gap in skill and talent is quite wide if u ask me...

martinez is quite hittable and MP has shown to hurt naturally bigger fighters... and MP is quite sharp in finding gaps...

martinez can counter but not like JMM he can...'martinez uses his underrated quickness to counter the lumbering fighters he faced... MP is simply quicker than any fighter martinez has faced...

MP is hittable too but the guy has quite a tough chin... (though martinez can end it anytime if and when he connects his money shots cleanly)

MP has a chance but he is definitely the underdog for this hypothetical fight... thats why it is so intriguing and quite frankly i want it to happen... at 154...

Last 2 fights he didnt hurt anybody. Speed wasnt OMG!!! Didnt find any gaps.

He may as well be as come forward as Margarito. Skill means he has a way to deal with all styles. Did you see his last 2 fights? Not much skill kiddo.

MP is much better than Macklin, Pavlik and Williams? Thats not a point. Thats an opinion. IMO Macklin's boxing would **** Manny.

If he can move better than Shane and hit harder than Juan, he should be able to beat him.

Getting hit by Sturm and Sergio > Getting hit by Manny.

[Bushbaby]

i wouldnt be surprised if pacquiao beat martinez. martinez is so over rated it isnt even funny. whats his best win? paul williams? lol. and martinez aint no elite fighter.

Name a fighter above 130 that Pacman beat that was better than the Punisher, till then stay gone.

[talip bin osman]

Finally some decent points to expose. For 1, it isn't a fact that he's better than any of those guys you've mentioned.

Pacman gets hit far more than Martinez & he really doesn't do much with a fighter that moves & Martinez is definately that.

Pacman is quicker than anyone Martinez has faced. However in that same note, so is Martinez to anyone Pacman has faced.

Yeah Pacman has a sturdy beard as high as 147. But so did the Punisher at any weight.

I think Pacman gets sonned badly.

of course it isnt a fact because seeing "who is better" in boxing is quite subjective... thats why we assess "who is better" with one's body of work... if you b lieve the body of work of those people i mentioned is better than MP's go ahead...

MP gets hit more sure... just imagine what martinez could do to him... MP though hasnt shown me that he has any alarming difficulty with the "bigger" guys he faced, hitting him cleanly...

martinez is good at moving, and pacquiao aint good with those who moves... ok i can live with that... even though it just doesn't make any sense that marrinez who is the significantly bigger and more powerful guy will be the one doing the "moving"

are you implying martinez would be the fastest man MP has ever faced? have you ever heard of chatchai sasakul mi amigo? whT about the late agapito sanchez? ok, barrera? seriously?

i stated in my post that martinez could end it anytime if he lands his money shots on MP did i?

my point stays... there is a slight chance MP could beat martinez and he should really be the underdog...

it is as valid as your point... this is a forum after all...

[shade darkar]

Name a fighter above 130 that Pacman beat that was better than the Punisher, till then stay gone.

awwwwwww did i hurt someones feelings?

how about marquez for starters. cotto is better than williams. mosley was better than williams, hatton was better than williams, de la hoya was better than williams, clottey probably better than williams aswell.

hence the reason most of them were rated p4p higher than williams.

[Bushbaby]

awwwwwww did i hurt someones feelings?

how about marquez for starters. cotto is better than williams. mosley was better than williams, hatton was better than williams, de la hoya was better than williams, clottey probably better than williams aswell.

hence the reason most of them were rated p4p higher than williams.

None of those fighters were better than the welterweight version of the Punisher. Every last fighter you named were done. Either you or eye could beat the DLH Pacman fought.

Mosley was proven shot 2 fights & a year before he fought Pacman.

Hatton?? LOL

Most agree Marquez actually beat Pacman.

Clottey?? Your failure is sad.

[Bushbaby]

of course it isnt a fact because seeing "who is better" in boxing is quite subjective... thats why we assess "who is better" with one's body of work... if you b lieve the body of work of those people i mentioned is better than MP's go ahead...

MP gets hit more sure... just imagine what martinez could do to him... MP though hasnt shown me that he has any alarming difficulty with the "bigger" guys he faced, hitting him cleanly...

martinez is good at moving, and pacquiao aint good with those who moves... ok i can live with that... even though it just doesn't make any sense that marrinez who is the significantly bigger and more powerful guy will be the one doing the "moving"

are you implying martinez would be the fastest man MP has ever faced? have you ever heard of chatchai sasakul mi amigo? whT about the late agapito sanchez? ok, barrera? seriously?

i stated in my post that martinez could end it anytime if he lands his money shots on MP did i?

my point stays... there is a slight chance MP could beat martinez and he should really be the underdog...

it is as valid as your point... this is a forum after all...

Anyhow, while I disagree, with almost everything you've said, you've given an excellent acount of yourself & made a fine case for your man!!

[shade darkar]

None of those fighters were better than the welterweight version of the Punisher. Every last fighter you named were done. Either you or eye could beat the DLH Pacman fought.

Mosley was proven shot 2 fights & a year before he fought Pacman.

Hatton?? LOL

Most agree Marquez actually beat Pacman.

Clottey?? Your failure is sad.

bollocks. welterweight williams won a few alphabet titles, he was never the champion.

mosley was shot, he is still better than williams, thats why he is a 3 weight world champion.

de la hoya was weight drained, he is still going down in history as a better fighter than williams.

hatton owned a division for 4 years and beat a guy ranked p4p number 2 who is now in the hall of fame.

i agree marquez beat pacquiao but officially he lost. and there can be no arguement whatsoever about marquez and williams. marquez much much better than williams.

clottey and williams got in the ring today id pick clottey.

[tatangb45]

i really would want to see MP fight martinez... i think the best compromise is @ 154...

At 154, on fight night, Pac would likely still be a WW while Martinez will be a MW.

Martinez is not just a paper champion, he is the MW champion. If he is a JMW champion then it's a different matter. But he is not, he is two divisions higher than Pac. It seems insane for anyone to want a WW to challenge a MW just to satisfy their sadistic desire to see 'supposedly' if the smaller guy can beat the bigger guy. It seems that most of these advocates' hidden agenda is just to salivate in the idea of seeing the smaller guy get beat up.

Pac maybe great for having done what no other boxer has done so far by becoming a champion in 7/8 different weight divisions. But wanting or demanding that he should move up higher and challenge not a champion in the next division, but the champion of two divisions higher is simply way too much. How many times in boxing history has such a thing happened?

Pac maybe great, but he is no superman.

[Light_Speed]

Don't be a selective reading prick and read everything I said.

I said currently, Manny don't have no chance at Sergio with reason I stated and one of 'em is Pac being soft and seemed to lost his fire and killer instinct, aside the fact of the size disparity. It's just ridiculous.

And further I said if Manny can bring back the old fiery form he was then he can win against Martinez, since we're talking fantasy fights here that's where I'm at.

IDGAS whoever laughs at my azz coz either way it's IMO and you can just lay down how you see it which you obviously don't coz you preferred to nitpick. So put up a worthy plea or again just STFU!

Ok Which version of Pacquiao stops Martinez? We're not talking about just winning, we're talking about Pac scoring a KO over Martinez. Which version of Pac can accomplish that feat?