Who was the greatest Heavyweight Post- Ali era?

[Mr. Fantastic]

The difference is nobody is calling Norton a top 5-10 heavyweight the way you are with both brothers. I also don't rate Norton over Wlad. But Norton is a better opponent than either brother has beaten.

Vitali has no business being rated top 10. He lost to a past prime version of Lewis.So how the hell is his resume better than Lewis? And his resume is clearly inferior to both Lewis and Tyson. I've ready gone over Lewis accomplishments. And as much as you wasn't to think otherwise, Douglas was a better fighter than Purity,Brewster, or Sanders. With that said, Tyson is not an automatic top 10 heavyweight for me either.

How is Norton a better opponent? Dude was everybody's ***** at HW like Frazier. I have no idea why that dude got into the HOF.


Yes Vitali does have a business being a top 10 HW. Look at every other heavyweight's resumes and you will clearly see they're not all that either. Like I said before, it seems like Jack Johnson gets much more credit for beating someone like Jefferies after a 3 year layoff than the total dominance they Klits are doing right now.

[IronDanHamza]

Out of the top 10- the fighters to give him hell would be Foreman (70s version), Ali, and Holmes. The rest I feel Lewis would handle. It's all opinion really, though.

Of course, of course.

It's all down to opinion when it comes to H2H that's why I personally don't use that to rank fighters. Or atleast very little.

I think Lewis has more than a good chance to win against any Heavyweight H2H other than the likes of Ali, Louis and a few others.

I'd still pick a lot over him though.

Liston, Fraizer, Holmes, for exampe I would personally pick over him. Along with others.

Again though that's JMO.

[turbotime]

Of course, of course.

It's all down to opinion when it comes to H2H that's why I personally don't use that to rank fighters. Or atleast very little.

I think Lewis has more than a good chance to win against any Heavyweight H2H other than the likes of Ali, Louis and a few others.

I'd still pick a lot over him though.

Liston, Fraizer, Holmes, for exampe I would personally pick over him. Along with others.

Again though that's JMO.

If I were forced to pick i think the only ones I'd feel comfortable choosing over him would be Ali and maybe Foreman (I personally have Liston outside of my top 10 Heavyweights) .

[joseph5620]

How is Norton a better opponent? Dude was everybody's ***** at HW like Frazier. I have no idea why that dude got into the HOF.


Yes Vitali does have a business being a top 10 HW. Look at every other heavyweight's resumes and you will clearly see they're not all that either. Like I said before, it seems like Jack Johnson gets much more credit for beating someone like Jefferies after a 3 year layoff than the total dominance they Klits are doing right now.

Jack Johnson is not in my top ten. But he gets credit for beating fighters the heavyweight champions avoided.


How much do you know about Johnson?Nobody that I have seen denies that Jeffries was past prime.However, Jeffries ducked Johnson while in his prime and later said he would have lost to Johnson at any point in his career.


As far as Vitali, he lost to the two best heavyweights he ever faced.One was overweight and past his prime. He has never beaten the best fighter in the division.That will not earn him a top 10 all time rating. Did you really say Frazier was everybody's b***** at heavyweight? Frazier only lost to Ali and Foreman. Two ATG fighters. Since you are a Klitschko fan I seriously doubt you want to compare their losses to Frazier.



Norton beating Ali is better than ANYTHING either brothers opponents have done. And of you carefully look at the names in the boxing HOF you will see why Norton is in there.

By the way, I would love to see where you place Vitali in the top ten.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Jack Johnson is not in my top ten.But he gets credit for beating fights the heavyweight champions avoided.


As far as Vitali, he lost to the two best heavyweight he ever faced.One was overweight and past his prime. He has never beaten the best fighter in the division.That will not earn him a top 10 all time rating. Did you really say Frazier was everybody's b***** at heavyweight? Fraser only lost to Ali and Foreman. Two ATG fighters. Since you are a Klitschko fan I seriously doubt you want to compare their losses to Frazier.



Norton beating Ali is better than ANYTHING either brothers opponents have done. And of you carefully look at the names in the boxing HOF you will see why Norton is in there.

By the way, I would love to see where you place Vitali in the top ten.

Jack Johnson avoided fights himself. Sure he lost but he should of won the Lewis fight. He doesn't have the chance to beat the best in the division right now because it's his brother which I understand. Yea, Frazier's resume isn't much to make me go "wow" over.

I stand corrected on that one. I forgot that he beat Ali once. Thought Ali beat him twice. My bad on that one.

I'm not sure yet where exactly I would put anyone in the top ten. I've watched fights and all and I'm missing a couple but I will tell you this much, not many are as good as the Klits. My opinion. I highly doubt you've watched all the great heavyweights fight as well.

[MJ223]

They didn't get beat by career LHWs. Can't say the same for Holmes and Holyfield

Holmes was 36 and out of his prime. That's better than getting KO'd in your prime by sub par fighters.

Don't even go with the KO'd by sub par fighter route cause I exposed another one of you Klit haters in another thread. Please don't.

Holmes was 36 and past prime.That's a lot different from getting knocked out by sparring partners with 20 losses. While in your 20's.


Another fact, Holmes fought with a severely injured shoulder to beat Ken Norton who happens to better than any opponent either brother has beaten.


In contrast, Vitali decided to sit out the last two rounds against an opponent he was supposedly "dominating " according to the Klitschko cry babies. Since all of you are obsessed with size, Byrd gave up 6 inches and about 40 pounds.


Don't try to leave out details. You're not fooling everybody.

Getting knocked out by Rahman and McCall is worse than losing to Micheal Spinks and Micheal Moorer in general.

I would jump in but no point with Joseph and Iron Dan schooling u guys.... BTW Mr. F(ail) no you didn't you couldn't even answer my ?

Here's the thread if anyone cares to read.... I wonder what Klit worshiper not fan but worshiper can answer the ?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=530863&page=8

[MJ223]

Jack Johnson avoided fights himself. Sure he lost but he should of won the Lewis fight. He doesn't have the chance to beat the best in the division right now because it's his brother which I understand. Yea, Frazier's resume isn't much to make me go "wow" over.

I stand corrected on that one. I forgot that he beat Ali once. Thought Ali beat him twice. My bad on that one.

I'm not sure yet where exactly I would put anyone in the top ten. I've watched fights and all and I'm missing a couple but I will tell you this much, not many are as good as the Klits. My opinion. I highly doubt you've watched all the great heavyweights fight as well.

Your debating HW's but don't know Ali-Frazier fought 3x lol...... U should get out until you have ur bases covered

[Mr. Fantastic]

Your debating HW's but don't know Ali-Frazier fought 3x lol...... U should get out until you have ur bases covered

Yea I forgot. Big deal. I'm only human and make mistakes. At least I man up and take responsibility unlike most people and just try to switch it up. Sort of like you huh? FYI it was Norton he was talking about.

[MJ223]

Yea I forgot. Big deal. I'm only human and make mistakes. At least I man up and take responsibility unlike most people and just try to switch it up. Sort of like you huh? FYI it was Norton he was talking about.

The link to me owning u is in this thread..... You didn't have anything of substance besides emoticons..... Oh and ur inferiority complex..... Did I miss something???

[Mr. Fantastic]

The link to me owning u is in this thread..... You didn't have anything of substance besides emoticons..... Oh and ur inferiority complex..... Did I miss something???

You didn't own jack **** son. You did absolutely NOTHING!!

Funny thing the Klits aren't my favorite boxers. Hell I don't even think they are in the top 10 all time for me in being my favorites but I give props where it is and they definitely deserve to be more appreciated. Except people like you are so butthurt that someone that you don't like is dominating the competition but give love to boxers you like much more credit for ****tier stuff. Like getting knocked out by sub par competition.