Who was the greatest Heavyweight Post- Ali era?

[Pirao]

Holmes was a better boxer and didn't get knocked out by people he wasn't supposed to...... Cant say the same for Vitali Wlad or Lennox

They didn't get beat by career LHWs. Can't say the same for Holmes and Holyfield

[Mr. Fantastic]

They didn't get beat by career LHWs. Can't say the same for Holmes and Holyfield

[IronDanHamza]

Really, who has Holyfield beat that is better than the fighters Lennox beat (ie himself)? Lennox was more consistent, defended his title more times, avenged all his losses, beat Holyfield twice. Didn't lose to LHWs while in his prime (like Holyfield). I'd like to know how you rank Holyfield above him exactly.

Err, Rid**** Bowe? Better than any fighter's Lewis beat other than possibly Klitschko. And Mike Tyson which is as good as any win Lewis has.

I have Holyfield and Lewis 1-1.

Lewis was more consistent than Holyfield, yes. Doesn't really matter to me. Holyfield has the better resume thus I rank him higher.

You want to talk about losses? I think getting knocked out by McCall and Rahman and the king's of kings when it comes to losses. Whether they were avenged or not.

You say Lewis avenged his losses, while talking about Holyfield loss to Moorer, who also avenged that loss.

Why do I rank him above him? Like I said, he has the better resume.

The two Tyson fights and the Bowe win alone gives him an argument to be ranked above Lewis. Let alone his numerous other solid wins.

Liston above Lewis? Lol. Who did he beat that was as good as Holyfield for example? Liston doesn't have neither the big wins nor the longevity, ranking him above Lewis is a joke.

Liston beat Floyd Patterson twice, a Top 20 HW in his prime. Something, Lennox Lewis has never done.

Liston may not have had the longevity as the Champion but he sure did clean out his division. And had he got the opportunity when he deserved it he would have had more longevity.

Foreman only defended his title twice while in his prime. He has great wins against Frazier, but so does Lewis against Holyfield. Plus Lewis has a much longer reign in his favour. So, no.

So? Does that automically mean he's ranked below him without any argument?

So Wladimir Klitschko should be ranked above him too?

Foreman's wins over a prime Frazier don't even compare to Lewis win over a past prime Evander Holyfield.

Foreman has two wins over an ATG HW in his absolute Prime. Something again, Lewis never did.


At the end of the day, although I'd disagree with it. I wouldn't even be mad if someone ranked Lewis over Liston or Frazier or a list of fighters I rank above him. Sure, I'd certainly disagree but Lewis cleaned out his division and he deserve respect for that.

The problem I have is people like yourself saying ranking Sonny Liston over him is a joke ( )

Or "there is no argument' for people like George Foreman and Evander Holyfield to be ranked above him, and so forth.

That's just plain, black and white nonsense.

[joseph5620]

Holmes was 36 and out of his prime. That's better than getting KO'd in your prime by sub par fighters.

[IronDanHamza]

Holmes was 36 and out of his prime. That's better than getting KO'd in your prime by sub par fighters in your prime.

Getting knocked out by Rahman and McCall is worse than losing to Micheal Spinks and Micheal Moorer in general.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Holmes was 36 and out of his prime. That's better than getting KO'd in your prime by sub par fighters in your prime.

Don't even go with the KO'd by sub par fighter route cause I exposed another one of you Klit haters in another thread. Please don't.

[Pirao]

Err, Rid**** Bowe? Mike Tyson? Both better than any fighter's Lewis beat other than possibly Klitschko.

So Bowe and Tyson are better than Holyfield too, yes? Why do I even debate with clear fanatics, I should know better by now

I have Holyfield and Lewis 1-1.

As I was saying, fanatics.

Lewis was more consistent than Holyfield, yes. Doesn't really matter to me. Holyfield has the better resume thus I rank him higher.

Of course not, why let facts get in the way of your opinion.

You want to talk about losses? I think getting knocked out by McCall and Rahman and the king's of kings when it comes to losses. Whether they were avenged or not.

Not as bad as getting beat by a career LHW, no. And he avenged both. Of course you don't care about that either, you don't care about anything that doesn't fir in with your little world, right?

You say Lewis avenged his losses, while talking about Holyfield loss to Moorer, who also avenged that loss.

Wow, he avenged his loss against a LHW, awesome. Lewis avenged ALL his losses, by KO too. Unlike some others.

Why do I rank him above him? Like I said, he has the better resume.

No he does not, Lewis beat him twice. That alone makes his resume superior.

The two Tyson fights and the Bowe win alone gives him an argument to be ranked above Lewis. Let alone his numerous other solid wins.

No they don't. Unless you rank both those guys above Holyfield, of course, which would be give me a good laugh. You know, since Lewis beat Holyfield twice and all. Lewis also has numerous other solid wins.

Liston beat Floyd Patterson twice, a Top 20 HW in his prime. Something, Lennox Lewis has never done.

Of course, Evander Holyfield wasn't in his prime when he lost twice to Lennox. Man I didn't see this argument coming at all. I forgot american fighters are always past their prime when they lose to foreigners, my bad

Liston may not have had the longevity as the Champion but he sure did clean out his division. And had he got the opportunity when he deserved it he would have had more longevity.

I'm glad to see we agree. The rest is called excuses.

So? Does that automically mean he's ranked below him without any argument?

I have already exposed my argument, you just chose to ignore it. Great wins+longevity>>great wins alone.

So Wladimir Klitschko should be ranked above him too?

No because he doesn't have any great wins yet. But if Wlad ends his career with 20 or more defenses you bet your ass I will rank him over Foreman.

Foreman's wins over a prime Frazier don't even compare to Lewis win over a past prime Evander Holyfield.

Huh, yeah. I stopped reading here.

Foreman has two wins over an ATG HW in his absolute Prime. Something again, Lewis never did.

Only in your mind.

At the end of the day, although I'd disagree with it. I wouldn't even be mad if someone ranked Lewis over Liston or Frazier or a list of fighters I rank above him. Sure, I'd certainly disagree but Lewis cleaned out his division and he deserve respect for that.

Great, because that's what his accomplishments merit.

The problem I have is people like yourself saying ranking Sonny Liston over him is a joke

But it is, too bad.

Or "there is no argument' for people like George Foreman and Evander Holyfield to be ranked above him, and so forth.

There isn't.

That's just plain, black and white nonsense.

Not as much as your Evander Holyfield past his prime, Lennox never beat a great fighter in his prime, I had Holyfield and Lennox 1-1 nonsense. What it all comes down to is your obvious bias towards american fighters, nothing more.

[joseph5620]

They didn't get beat by career LHWs. Can't say the same for Holmes and Holyfield

Holmes was 36 and past prime.That's a lot different from getting knocked out by sparring partners with 20 losses. While in your 20's.


Another fact, Holmes fought with a severely injured shoulder to beat Ken Norton who happens to better than any opponent either brother has beaten.


In contrast, Vitali decided to sit out the last two rounds against an opponent he was supposedly "dominating " according to the Klitschko cry babies. Since all of you are obsessed with size, Byrd gave up 6 inches and about 40 pounds.


Don't try to leave out details. You're not fooling everybody.

[Pirao]

Holmes was 36 and out of his prime. That's better than getting KO'd in your prime by sub par fighters in your prime.

Yes, every american fighter was out of his prime when they suffer embarrassing losses, how could I forget this important fact... oh yeah, it's not fact, it's just BS.

Holmes was 36 and past prime.That's a lot different from getting knocked out by sparring partners with 20 losses. While in your 20's.


Another fact, Holmes fought with a severely injured shoulder to beat Ken Norton who happens to better than any opponent either brother has beaten.


In contrast, Vitali decided to sit out the last two rounds against an opponent he was supposedly "dominating " according to the Klitschko cry babies. Since all of you are obsessed with size, Byrd gave up 6 inches and about 40 pounds.


Don't try to leave out details. You're not fooling everybody.

Trying to bait me to discuss the brothers when it is Lennox I'm discussing about here, huh? I'm afraid you'll have to be more slick than that, bro. Open another thread to discuss about the Klitschkos since it's clear you're obsessed with them.

[BigStereotype]

Holmes
Lennox
Holyfield
Tyson


Vitali/Bowe
Wlad