Is Mayweather the most well-rounded fighter ever?

[The Big Dunn]

Not letting your hands go is NOT a virtue nor is it a sign of being "well rounded". It's a sign of buttoning up and playing defense.....at the expense of your offense.

Poet

Letting your hands go wrecklessly is not a sign of well roundedness either. You essentially penalizing floyd for fighting intelligently.

[Poet682006]

That is a terrible way to judge, either a guy is effective or he isn't~

Trying isn't being effective so it does not matter.

Accomplishing something is better than accomplishing nothing in a round.

Scoring fights is about effectiveness, if you can't overlook style your insights on judging are beyond meaningless.

Not the point. The point is inactivity was frowned upon and frequently punished on the cards. Ray Leonard's Floyd like performance in the second Duran fight cost him rounds that he could have won easily and may very well have been fortunate that Duran pulled the "No Mas" as it could have gotten very dicey if it had gone to the cards.

Poet

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

The difference between Floyd and Pernell: Whitaker made dudes miss without sacrificing his own offense; Whitaker let his hands go. Floyd makes people miss while buttoning up and not throwing very much.

Poet

yeah maybe at 147 but he sacraficed alot of his power and now fights smarter, his technique of not throwing alot also is a tactic for his brittle hands, all these things should be taken into concideration, floyd is a master at what he does... thats it. comparing him to pernell only creates more arguments they are both great, fought similar in a few ways because they are hard to hit but different in alot of ways. pernell used mostly head movement which means his hands are in position to let go once u miss floyds usually in a shell when hes on the defense meaning he can only counter with a few selective punches that will allow him to still be in good position to not get hit.

[Poet682006]

Letting your hands go wrecklessly is not a sign of well roundedness either. You essentially penalizing floyd for fighting intelligently.

Carl Froch let his hands go recklessly. When Pernell let his hands go it was far from reckless. When Ali let his hands go it was far from reckless. When Ray Leonard let his hands go it was far from reckless. The examples go on and on.

[Poet682006]

yeah maybe at 147 but he sacraficed alot of his power and now fights smarter, his technique of not throwing alot also is a tactic for his brittle hands, all these things should be taken into concideration, floyd is a master at what he does... thats it. comparing him to pernell only creates more arguments they are both great, fought similar in a few ways because they are hard to hit but different in alot of ways. pernell used mostly head movement which means his hands are in position to let go once u miss floyds usually in a shell when hes on the defense meaning he can only counter with a few selective punches that will allow him to still be in good position to not get hit.

The problem is that the question wasn't whether Floyd is good at what he does or not. The question was who was more well-rounded. And if you're sacrificing an important part of the game to excel at one particular thing you are NOT well rounded.

Poet

[The Gambler1981]

Not the point. The point is inactivity was frowned upon and frequently punished on the cards. Ray Leonard's Floyd like performance in the second Duran fight cost him rounds that he could have won easily and may very well have been fortunate that Duran pulled the "No Mas" as it could have gotten very dicey if it had gone to the cards.

Poet

How many times did Floyd fight like that three (JLC 2,Oscar, Baldomir)? Only one was closer than it should have been on the cards.

So Floyd is able to make it look clear the vast majority of the time, guys don't throw caution to the wind against him so what is coming back must be something to worry about.

So whatever his dispostition is, is not important what he does and is capable of is.

[Javii86]

The problem is that the question wasn't whether Floyd is good at what he does or not. The question was who was more well-rounded. And if you're sacrificing an important part of the game to excel at one particular thing you are NOT well rounded.

Poet

This would be true if Floyd lands at a below average or average rate, but he doesn't.

[Poet682006]

yeah maybe at 147 but he sacraficed alot of his power and now fights smarter, his technique of not throwing alot also is a tactic for his brittle hands, all these things should be taken into concideration, floyd is a master at what he does... thats it. comparing him to pernell only creates more arguments they are both great, fought similar in a few ways because they are hard to hit but different in alot of ways. pernell used mostly head movement which means his hands are in position to let go once u miss floyds usually in a shell when hes on the defense meaning he can only counter with a few selective punches that will allow him to still be in good position to not get hit.

The thing is, what you have is a bunch of people that have a personal bias towards a particular way of fighting (namely defensive wizardry) who are trying to pawn it off as the only valid way or the "best" way or the "greatest" way of fighting when the truth is it's just their personal preference.

Poet

[Poet682006]

How many times did Floyd fight like that three (JLC 2,Oscar, Baldomir)? Only one was closer than it should have been on the cards.

So Floyd is able to make it look clear the vast majority of the time, guys don't throw caution to the wind against him so what is coming back must be something to worry about.

So whatever his dispostition is, is not important what he does and is capable of is.

Fighting non-en****** and washed up names has a LOT to do with that. Stick a prime great in with him and that sort of BS will tag him with an L.

Poet

[Poet682006]

This would be true if Floyd lands at a below average or average rate, but he doesn't.

Still works out to a low number of punches landed regardless of the percentage. Less punches landed = less damage done to the opponent.....And the entire point of professional boxing is to damage your opponent.

Poet