Felix Trinidad an ATG at Welterweight?

[tlaloc]

I don't understand why Trinidad never got as much **** as Margarito for getting caught with illegal hand wraps. Trinidad is prob not an ATG because he was a dirty fighter and would do anything to win a fight..

[IMDAZED]

Trinidad/Delahoya robbery> Bute/Andrade count

One was facing a prime Oscar. The other...Andrade.

[Puya]

ranking boxers is so biased, there is no objective standard in boxing which i am sure you know. ATG lists or p4p lists, or whatever you want, are all just opinion based.


unless they square off, theres no way of knowing, and thats the god damned truth right there.

Thank you!!! I hate fantasy fights results

[Puya]

I don't understand why Trinidad never got as much **** as Margarito for getting caught with illegal hand wraps. Trinidad is prob not an ATG because he was a dirty fighter and would do anything to win a fight..

Trinidad had Illegal wraps???? When???

The way his father wrapped his hands was not permitted in Las Vegas other states was no problem at all. If you compare Tito's wraps issue with the Margarito you sir are way wrong.

Are you one of the guys who are but hurt because of F. Vargas, Joppy, etc.

or simply a Puerto Rican Hater!!

F. Vargas: " When Trinidad hit me it as getting hit by Mike Tyson".... ROFL talk about self owenage. Tito had serious Power

[JAB5239]

ranking boxers is so biased, there is no objective standard in boxing which i am sure you know. ATG lists or p4p lists, or whatever you want, are all just opinion based.


unless they square off, theres no way of knowing, and thats the god damned truth right there.

There is no definitive way, no. It will always be subjective. But I think logical conclusions can be reached by using time frame and resume. I can easily show more than ten fighters fought and beat much better welterweight comp than Trinidad. That of course does no good if the reader doesn't know these fighters, the era, or refuses to do the research to actually find out though.

[BoxingGenius27]

There is no definitive way, no. It will always be subjective. But I think logical conclusions can be reached by using time frame and resume. I can easily show more than ten fighters fought and beat much better welterweight comp than Trinidad. That of course does no good if the reader doesn't know these fighters, the era, or refuses to do the research to actually find out though.

I think a good way of judging older and modern fighters is using the math based ELO system. It's an algorithym based technology used to judge we're fighters are ranked "All Time".

MMA uses it and I don't see why boxing doesn't do the same as well.

I like it because it's objective only based. It doesn't let personal feelings get in the way when judging fighters. They're judged off facts only.

http://www.mma-elo.com/ranks.php

[FJRod]

I don't understand why Trinidad never got as much **** as Margarito for getting caught with illegal hand wraps. Trinidad is prob not an ATG because he was a dirty fighter and would do anything to win a fight..

...Are there any serious boxing fans in here? Are u a ******* and just started watching the sport 3 yrs ago? Are u A Mexican hater? Are u just a dumba**? Are u able to do some research before posting ******dd ishh? Do you have a second grade education? Do you understand the diff between plaster and tape? Are u an attention w***e?

[The Surgeon]

...Are there any serious boxing fans in here? Are u a ******* and just started watching the sport 3 yrs ago? Are u A Mexican hater? Are u just a dumba**? Are u able to do some research before posting ******dd ishh? Do you have a second grade education? Do you understand the diff between plaster and tape? Are u an attention w***e?

I try not to even entertain the Tito plaster fantasy anymore - haters goin hate!

[tlaloc]

...Are there any serious boxing fans in here? Are u a ******* and just started watching the sport 3 yrs ago? Are u A Mexican hater? Are u just a dumba**? Are u able to do some research before posting ******dd ishh? Do you have a second grade education? Do you understand the diff between plaster and tape? Are u an attention w***e?

It doesn't matter if it was plaster or tape the fact is that Trinida's wraps were described to be as hard as a brick. The way trinidad wraps his hands might be legal in your state, prob Idaho or Montana. BTW are you always this brave or is it just when you're posting online, cuz u sure can talk a lot a Sh**t..

[studentofthegam]

I think a good way of judging older and modern fighters is using the math based ELO system. It's an algorithym based technology used to judge we're fighters are ranked "All Time".

MMA uses it and I don't see why boxing doesn't do the same as well.

I like it because it's objective only based. It doesn't let personal feelings get in the way when judging fighters. They're judged off facts only.

http://www.mma-elo.com/ranks.php

You cant use numbers to decide ATG's. It boils down to opinion alone whether its resume or skills. The only numeric part is wins and losses.