Comments Thread For: Team Bute: Hopkins a Good "Plan B" if No Ward, Froch

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How is Bute the #1 contender by default? Because, he earned the position? How did he surpass the likes of Kessler, Steiglitz, the Dirrell brothers? Why aren't them one of them the #1 contender? If Bute hadn't earned how did he jump over them?

I agree, Brinkley is underrated, and Magee would beat Ward.

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But, if that is the case then Andre Dirrell and Mikkel Kessler should be rank ahead of him.

So there's no default here...He has earned his top spot. To be ranked ahead of both of them.

Rankings ?

uh-uh

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I don't think Ward is obligated to fight him immediately and I don't believe Team Ward would be the sole impasse to the fight happening (whatever the noise coming from Bute's camp), BUT; Bute definitely "deserves" to fight Ward at this moment in time, period. He's right behind Ward in the division. ******, ****** discussion.

I agree man. I havent really heard anyone suggest that they shouldnt fight, of course they should..... but the main point here is your comment in bold.

So Ward, after walking the gauntlet, is now obligated to immediately fight a guy who walked around all of the Super-6 competitors straight into a title shot at the champ?

GTFOH.

Bute can wait, Ward can do whatever he likes, because he is the man, and.....

IT WOULD NOT HURT BUTE TO MAKE A LEGITIMATE DEFENSE NOW THAT THE TOP GUYS ARE AVAILABLE.

So, Bute was " unlucky " earlier, because there were no legit opponents?..... Well, that certainly aint the case now.

Go find something to do Bute, the champ will call you when he is free.

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Because his resume is the best resume out of all the relevant 168'ers that Ward hasn't already beaten (unless you count Johnson, whom Bute just beat). Who do you think Ward should be fighting? WHO? What super-fights should Ward be reserving himself for now, if none of the rated SMW guys are in the picture?

FWIW. I can't stand Lucian Bute. He's a ****ing overrated twat and I can't wait 'til he's KTFO brutally (again). Ward, on the other hand, has been my guy since '04.

But you're not making any sense. At all.

You cannot categorically tell me that Bute will definitely beat Froch and Kessler.

How does Ward beating the competition automatically put Bute at #2 ?

I'm calling bull**** on that one.

Bute has done nothing.

Froch's resume makes him look like a prospect.

[BoxingGenius27]

If I was the SS contestants, I'd be pissed right now.

Abraham: Had I known all I had to do was fight in Germany against a few nobodies while the SS was going on in order to get an automatic shot at the SS winner, I would've never joined the tournament to begin with. WTF was I thinking?

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So he doesn't have one defining opponent and his single best win is debatable but he hands down "deserves" a shot at the SS winner? Seriously Stones!?

How does the bold discredit his credentials as the best qualified contender to face Ward?

Berrio, Andrade X2, Miranda, Bika and Johnson is the best CV out there of all the SMW guys Ward hasn't fought. Period. Bute is the next worthy guy in the line at 168.

What did Kelly Pavlik have before he fought Jermain Taylor? What do most contenders have before they get their shots at Champs, for that matter? Typically, they have a bunch of solid wins and a bunch of padding, just like Bute.

Anyway, back to it. If you read the thread like I asked, you wouldn't ask the same questions because like I said last night, I already answered them:

Again, I already perused your "answers" from earlier in the thread before I picked it up; I'm saying they are ridiculous and only raised more questions.

Let's look at your next set of questions that you needed clarification for that I already provided.
Before you came in this thread on page 15 and start trolling and trying to turn my words around, if you would've "read" what I said about Froch and Bute like I asked, you would've seen the below posts and been able to debate me on a realistic level instead of adolescent one.

And, like I said, I already perused them and found your reasoning utterly ridiculous.

There is no legit reason why Bute needs to go up and beat a Top 3 rated guy from a higher weight-class in order to earn a shot at the man in his division. That's absurd. Froch would be a plenty credible win for Bute, coming off a decision loss to Ward or not.

As for Bute's CV, his best work can be pulled apart just like any other fighter's; truth remains that his CV is the best overall body of work out there of all the SMW guys Ward hasn't yet fought/defeated, certainly solid enough to deserve a crack at Ward at this moment in time, whether they go their seperate paths for now or not.

End of discussion, from any rational, non-adolescent perspective.

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If I was the SS contestants, I'd be pissed right now.

Abraham: Had I known all I had to do was fight in Germany against a few nobodies while the SS was going on in order to get an automatic shot at the SS winner, I would've never joined the tournament to begin with. WTF was I thinking?

Weak spin.


Truth remains,

Berrio, Andrade X2, Miranda, Bika and Johnson is the best CV out there of all the SMW guys Ward hasn't fought. Period. Bute is the next worthy guy in the line at 168. His best work can be pulled apart just like any other fighter's; his CV is still the best overall body of work out there of all the SMW guys Ward hasn't yet fought/defeated, certainly solid enough to "deserve" a crack at Ward at this moment in time, whether they go their seperate paths for now or not.

What did Kelly Pavlik have before he fought Jermain Taylor? What do most contenders have before they get their shots at Champs, for that matter? Typically, they have a bunch of solid wins and a bunch of padding, just like Bute.

There is no legit reason why Bute needs to go up and beat a Top 3 rated guy from a higher weight-class in order to earn a shot at the man in his division. That's absurd. And Froch would be a plenty credible win for Bute, coming off a decision loss to Ward or not.

End of discussion, from any rational, non-adolescent perspective.

[BoxingGenius27]

How does the bold discredit his credentials as the best qualified contender to face Ward?

Berrio, Andrade X2, Miranda, Bika and Johnson is the best CV out there of all the SMW guys Ward hasn't fought. Period. Bute is the next worthy guy in the line at 168.

The Miranda that Bute and Ward fought, was not the beast that Pavlik beat and Green knocked down. The fact that you even mentioned him as a honorable opponent shows you don't know as much as you think you do.

Then regarding Bute vs Johnson (the win you call solid), Let's take a look at how many people felt Johnson was a BS fight "at the time". Don't take my word for it, see for yourself http://www.boxingscene.com/lucian-bu...p-up-me--45363

Bika happened like 4 years ago and Andrade happened like 2 years ago; which were descent wins to begin with. LMAO @ Bute's resume being better than all SS contestants currently. He hasn't even beaten one undefeated challenger yet. You guys get your rocks off at saying stuff like "Bute beat Fighter A better than anyone else that "already" beat Fighter A". What type of proud accomplishment is that?

What did Kelly Pavlik have before he fought Jermain Taylor? What do most contenders have before they get their shots at Champs, for that matter? Typically, they have a bunch of solid wins and a bunch of padding, just like Bute.

The SS is a rather unique circumstance that needs someone to "think outside the box" and make exceptions for what the norm has been previously regarding challenging for the title... You're referring to what challengers have done in the past to get title shots as if there hasn't been a problem in boxing with fighters getting undeserving shots at the title. Off the top of my head, just look at what's going on with Pac and Canelo and how Mosley and Cintron got undeserving shots.


There is no legit reason why Bute needs to go up and beat a Top 3 rated guy from a higher weight-class in order to earn a shot at the man in his division. That's absurd. Froch would be a plenty credible win for Bute, coming off a decision loss to Ward or not.

Why do you keep referring to Bute going up in weight to fight Cloud like it's some major accomplishment as if they weren't "already" previously negotiating before Bute fought Johnson? You're acting like Bute didn't already say that if he doesn't fight Ward, he's looking to fight Hopkins next. Why don't you email Team Bute and tell them what they need and don't need to do.


As for Bute's CV, his best work can be pulled apart just like any other fighter's; truth remains that his CV is the best overall body of work out there of all the SMW guys Ward hasn't yet fought/defeated, certainly solid enough to deserve a crack at Ward at this moment in time, whether they go their seperate paths for now or not.

Yes you're right when you say if someone really wanted to take another's resume a part they can. But I feel like the SS winner's resume is solid and Bute's need's a lot of work.

You do realize that Bute said Glen Johnson was "a major step up in competition", right. LMAO you're sitting here saying Bute's resume is up to par, but in 2011 Glen Johnson is a major step up in competition? LOL According to Bute himself, Johnson is better than all the guys you named.

Once again, if everyone knew all they had to do was stay home and beat scrubs in order to fight the winner of the tourny, don't you think it's rather ****** of them to enter the tourny in the 1st place? There's no spin to it. That is a fact. What the heck is the point of having a tourny in the first place when all a fighter has to do is let the contestants beat on each other so he can get the winner?

Anyway, see my answers above to the rest of the of your "stellar" post lol

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I think you're nitpicking at names. Out of all the names you mentioned only Johnson is considered a solid win. I don't think coming off a lose effect Johnson...Maybe his age but not that he was coming off a lose.

But, wins over Berrio, Bika, and Andrade are better wins than the ones you mentioned.

That's why I always say that people who act like Bute has a crappy resume. Is because they don't know enough about his resume or people he beat. But, all those guys have the same similar style.

But, Bute has a good enough resume where you can rank him #1 contender to Ward lineal championship at 168.

Let me understand this Mr. Rosales.

You say that Berrio, Bika, and Andrade are all wins that are better than Johnson..... You then go on to say that Johnson is only a "solid" win and "people who act like Bute has a crappy resume don't know enough about his resume or people he beat" as seen quoted by you above.

Well let me ask you this.... Lucien Bute would know his own resume, dont you think?? Unless you know more about Bute's resume, than the man himself (Bute), I must be missing something.

Let's see here what Bute himself feels about his resume as of Oct. 2011:

Lucien Bute on Glen Johnson http://www.boxingscene.com/lucian-bu...-up-me--45363:

"I can say, by far, he (Johnson) is the best opponent of my career, with the best credibility, the best resume. His resume speaks for itself. So, for me, it's a major step up" said Bute.

So let me understand all of this. Lucien Bute, himself, feels that Johnson, is the "best" opponent of his career as of Oct 2011, but we have historians like Jrosales and FlinStones! telling us that Johnson is only a solid win and that Berrio, Bika and Andrade are far better wins for Bute as of Dec 2011.... Then in the next sentence, he says Bute is soooo "deserving" of a title shot..

Which one is it Jro, is Johnson Bute's best opponent to this day, or are you telling us that you know more about Bute and his resume than the man himself?

You may not learn today, but you will learn to stop trying to talk boxing with me son.

[BoxingGenius27]

Interesting quotes about the much "deserving" Lucien Bute's resume:

I expect Bute to win by Decision but has Bute fought anyone as good as Johnson? Even this 40+ version? I don't think he has.

No, Bute's never fought anyone as good Johnson. He's damn lucky Glen is so old, because Glen from 4 years ago knocks Bute out.

Brian Magree better than Glen Jonson? Miranda better than Johnson? Andrade better than Johnson? Once again you prove you know **** about boxing.

Now Johnson is getting old, that's the only problem. But he's a better fighter than all those guys.