Comments Thread For: Team Bute: Hopkins a Good "Plan B" if No Ward, Froch

[BoxingGenius27]

Has anyone heard from Stones!?

I need to talk to that guy.

[BoxingGenius27]

Umm, isn't this classically/archetypally the case between Champion and challenger? Yeah, I believe so. The challenger doesn't need to have a body of work on a par with the Champion in order to be a worthy challenger and never has had. If that was true, hardly anybody would have ever gotten their shot. So why does it all of a sudden become a mandatory requirement, ie. that the challenger must have a body of work approximately equal to the Champion, in this case?

Last time I checked, I thought Bute was a "champion"?

LMAO you "really" need to re-evaluate who you call ******. Especially when you don't even know who's champion and who's not....

Which brings me to my next point.... How did Johnson even get a shot at the title against Bute in the first place after coming off a loss against Froch?

Then you're sitting up here giving me the gospel about someone "deserving" a shot and all this history stuff about boxing LMAO...

You did the right thing by logging out for a few hours. Maybe you had to take your medication, I don't know.

[BoxingGenius27]

I'm saying (and I'm among the vast majority of rational observers in doing so) that Bute's body of work to date is good enough to warrant a shot at Ward's .

Bute should have to earn his spanking from Andre.

B*tch-ass Bute should have to beat a guy like Kessler first.

1. I never liked the idea of Bute being guaranteed an immediate shot at the winner, anyway. I feel he should have to go through tests like Froch and Kessler first

How can Bute have "a body of work, good enough to warrant a title shot", as you put it, but he still needs to "earn" a shot with Ward at the same time?

Ummmmm, hey troll, last time I checked, those that were "deserving" didn't have to "earn" anything else because guess what? They "deserved" it......

We all know you have the superior vocabulary compared to everyone.

I would love to see how you spin your word play on this one, my friend

[jrosales13]

Let me understand this Mr. Rosales.

You say that Berrio, Bika, and Andrade are all wins that are better than Johnson..... You then go on to say that Johnson is only a "solid" win and "people who act like Bute has a crappy resume don't know enough about his resume or people he beat" as seen quoted by you above.

Well let me ask you this.... Lucien Bute would know his own resume, dont you think?? Unless you know more about Bute's resume, than the man himself (Bute), I must be missing something.

Let's see here what Bute himself feels about his resume as of Oct. 2011:

Lucien Bute on Glen Johnson http://www.boxingscene.com/lucian-bu...-up-me--45363:

"I can say, by far, he (Johnson) is the best opponent of my career, with the best credibility, the best resume. His resume speaks for itself. So, for me, it's a major step up" said Bute.

So let me understand all of this. Lucien Bute, himself, feels that Johnson, is the "best" opponent of his career as of Oct 2011, but we have historians like Jrosales and FlinStones! telling us that Johnson is only a solid win and that Berrio, Bika and Andrade are far better wins for Bute as of Dec 2011.... Then in the next sentence, he says Bute is soooo "deserving" of a title shot..

Which one is it Jro, is Johnson Bute's best opponent to this day, or are you telling us that you know more about Bute and his resume than the man himself?

You may not learn today, but you will learn to stop trying to talk boxing with me son.

Learn to stop trying to talk boxing with you? Are you F'ing ******ed? Seriously, are you mentally ******ed. That's a serious question...Or are you just trolling?

I never discredited Johnson win for Bute, And, yes the wins of Berrio, Andrade, and Bika are better than the wins that you gave him of Magee, Mendy, Miranda and any other names. Berrio, Andrade(2x), Johnson, and Bika are his best wins...They're a bunch of solid wins. It's a resume that's good enought to be ranked #1 to lineal SMW title right now.

If you think and Bute and anyone else thinks that Johnson is his best win that's fine. If one thinks that any other of his wins are his best wins then that's fine too. I personally rank the Bika win his best win cuz' of how dominated he won. I rank the Johnson win one of his best wins cuz' I still respect this version of the road warrior...And, the way he KO'd Andrade was pretty surprising...Berrio with his power was no pushover..

Again I'm talking about resumes...You need to understand what that means...It's an overall body of work. There is no one great victory...But, there are wins that are solid enough that the overall body of work gives him the deserved ranking he has. You should try to understand that first.

[BoxingGenius27]

Learn to stop trying to talk boxing with you? Are you F'ing ******ed? Seriously, are you mentally ******ed. That's a serious question...Or are you just trolling?

I never discredited Johnson win for Bute, And, yes the wins of Berrio, Andrade, and Bika are better than the wins that you gave him of Magee, Mendy, Miranda and any other names. Berrio, Andrade(2x), Johnson, and Bika are his best wins...They're a bunch of solid wins. It's a resume that's good enought to be ranked #1 to lineal SMW title right now.

If you think and Bute and anyone else thinks that Johnson is his best win that's fine. If one thinks that any other of his wins are his best wins then that's fine too. I personally rank the Bika win his best win cuz' of how dominated he won. I rank the Johnson win one of his best wins cuz' I still respect this version of the road warrior...And, the way he KO'd Andrade was pretty surprising...Berrio with his power was no pushover..

Again I'm talking about resumes...You need to understand what that means...It's an overall body of work. There is no one great victory...But, there are wins that are solid enough that the overall body of work gives him the deserved ranking he has. You should try to understand that first.

I've learned a few things from you Jro; I've learned that you're never wrong, no matter what. Especially if you don't like the poster you're debating, you'll argue tooth and nail with him even if you're contradicting yourself in the process.

Off the top of my head, when we were debating in the other thread the other day, instead of you admitting you're wrong, you go back and delete your old post instead. What type of stuff is that? How can we debate, but when you get proven wrong, you try to delete your posts... WTF, who does that during a debate??

Secondly, if Bute himself can't tell you that Johnson is his best win, which I think proves how weak his resume is thus far, I know for damn sure I can't tell you anything.

I guess that settles that.

[Gay for Boootay]

Ward is not going to retire i hope... because if Bute does not deserve Ward, nobody does.

[jrosales13]

I've learned a few things from you Jro; I've learned that you're never wrong, no matter what. Especially if you don't like the poster you're debating, you'll argue tooth and nail with him even if you're contradicting yourself in the process.

Off the top of my head, when we were debating in the other thread the other day, instead of you admitting you're wrong, you go back and delete your old post instead. What type of stuff is that? How can we debate, but when you get proven wrong, you try to delete your posts... WTF, who does that during a debate??

Secondly, if Bute himself can't tell you that Johnson is his best win, which I think proves how weak his resume is thus far, I know for damn sure I can't tell you anything.

I guess that settles that.

Again that's fine that Bute thinks that. And, it's fine that you agree with Bute that Johnson is his best win. I personally like the Bika win better. I thought he beat Bika more impressively than what Cazlaghe and Ward did. I like the win more so. It's not his most significant win and neither is Johnson IMO. I don't think he has one significant win. What I do think he has is a a handful of solid wins that makes his overall body of work deserving of his ranking.

And, you and him thinking Johnson is his best win...But, do you believe it's a significant win? I don't...But, I think it's solid along the lines with his other wins. Because, it's the overall body of work.

You're looking for a significant win...Which there isn't any. But, again there is a body of work. It's not about being right or wrong it's about using logic.

Basically what you're asking for is another S6. Where you have Bute, Froch, Kessler, throw in the Dirrell brothers, and Steiglitz since he has a belt. Have them fight it out for the next 2 years cuz' that's how long it last. And, in the mean time have Ward sit out for two years until the winner emerges. Which is simply ******ed.

Ward doesn't have to fight Bute next...I'm not saying that. Ward earn the right to have a gimme. But, a Bute fight is a must to happen at some point while both are the top 2 in the division. You can't get the ranking Bute has without earning it. It's not just about sitting out the tournament...Again Anthony Dirrell sat out and his' not as highly rank as Bute. Andre Dirrell got a win in the tourney and decided to walk away instead of facing Andre Ward. He doesn't have the ranking of Bute.

It's mind boggling why you will ask an elite P4P fighter, who is entering his prime, who might be the face of boxing and a future P4P #1 to basically retire. Because, that's what you're asking retire until someone worthy comes along. It's complete silliness. Especially since he can start his push for ATG's by cleaning out this division.

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This guy actually carried on talking? Completely oblivious to himself and to the fact that no boxing fan with a clue agrees with him?


"Last time I checked, I thought Bute was a "champion"?

LMAO you "really" need to re-evaluate who you call ******. Especially when you don't even know who's champion and who's not...."

^^ I could care less about Bute's paper-title. He, and anyone else at 168, would be a challenger to Ward's Championship. I suppose Robert Stieglitz should be called a Champion, too?


"How can Bute have "a body of work, good enough to warrant a title shot", as you put it, but he still needs to "earn" a shot with Ward at the same time?"

In the latter, you're referring to my personal, subjective feelings of wanting to see Bute go through the ringer a bit more before he gets a fight against Ward. My use of the word "earn" was entirely subjective and rhetorical. My objective view -- much as I hate to have to admit Bute is worthy and put aside the fact that I can't stand him and somewhat resent the fact that he's had a comparatively mild last two years while the Super Six was in play -- is that he's the best qualified guy left for Ward to fight at 168 and that he has accomplished enough in his career to deserve his shot at the Champ. You've still presented no valid point and no precedent in the sport to dispute that view.


FTR, if I log out, it's because I have other stuff to do. How do you talk about getting laid in one breath then talk about another man logging out while you continue to make asinine post after asinine post in the next?


I didn't bother reading back beyond this page because you're a ******. Feel free to keep on wittering and further exposing yourself as one of the forum's biggest morons.

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Again that's fine that Bute thinks that. And, it's fine that you agree with Bute that Johnson is his best win. I personally like the Bika win better. I thought he beat Bika more impressively than what Cazlaghe and Ward did. I like the win more so. It's not his most significant win and neither is Johnson IMO. I don't think he has one significant win. What I do think he has is a a handful of solid wins that makes his overall body of work deserving of his ranking.

And, you and him thinking Johnson is his best win...But, do you believe it's a significant win? I don't...But, I think it's solid along the lines with his other wins. Because, it's the overall body of work.

You're looking for a significant win...Which there isn't any. But, again there is a body of work. It's not about being right or wrong it's about using logic.

Basically what you're asking for is another S6. Where you have Bute, Froch, Kessler, throw in the Dirrell brothers, and Steiglitz since he has a belt. Have them fight it out for the next 2 years cuz' that's how long it last. And, in the mean time have Ward sit out for two years until the winner emerges. Which is simply ******ed.

Ward doesn't have to fight Bute next...I'm not saying that. Ward earn the right to have a gimme. But, a Bute fight is a must to happen at some point while both are the top 2 in the division. You can't get the ranking Bute has without earning it. It's not just about sitting out the tournament...Again Anthony Dirrell sat out and his' not as highly rank as Bute. Andre Dirrell got a win in the tourney and decided to walk away instead of facing Andre Ward. He doesn't have the ranking of Bute.

It's mind boggling why you will ask an elite P4P fighter, who is entering his prime, who might be the face of boxing and a future P4P #1 to basically retire. Because, that's what you're asking retire until someone worthy comes along. It's complete silliness. Especially since he can start his push for ATG's by cleaning out this division.

Too much logic in there, mate. Logic won't wash with this guy.



It's unreal how ******ed a forum poster can get.

[LeadUppercut]

Holy sheet, this is still going.....

Well, I aint read NOTHING in this thread that has changed my opinion.

1.) Ward is the man at 168, no question

2.) Bute next, his mando, or somebody else, it is Ward's decision, good for him

3.) Bute may well be " next " in line - although I doubt that he is more "deserving" than either Kessler or Froch, and I am unsure as to whether Bute could beat either of them - but if that is the case and Bute is "next" in line, then that is because Ward has eliminated the competition, not because of anything that Bute has done.

How does Ward beating Kessler/Froch, put Bute ahead of them ?

And BTW..... the question over how "deserving" Bute is, is caused by his underwhelming resume'..... a resume' that was affected by lack of competition due to the fact that the best guys in the division were contractually committed..... WELL, IT AINT GONNA HURT BUTE TO GET A LEGITIMATE DEFENSE UNDER HIS BELT NOW THAT THE TOP GUYS ARE AVAILABLE, IS IT?

Go find something to do Bute, the champ will call you and tell you where/when you will be required to fight.