Why Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

JMM changed his style as he got older though from his forum days...The older he got the more "fan friendly" he became...He never got talked about with the likes of his counterparts like Morales and Barrera because he didn't get into the "wars" that they got. Until later on in his career when he lost a step and changed his style to be more offensive.

And, you can't say that JMM is the best or most in anything EVER...Especially when anything JMM can do Lopez could do it better. And, JMM IQ might be high but Lopez was higher. The only thing JMM got over Finito is resume and accomplishments. JMM is an ATG he proved to me in his last fight cuz' I did have doubts about him. So I don't mean this in any disrespect but he's a poor man Finito.

That's not an insult in the least. The problem with people on here is, if you make an argument in contrary to what they post, they take it personal and get their feelings hurt.

Finito was arguably the greatest Mexican fighter of all time, so to compare anyone to him is nothing but a compliment. Yet the way people argue here goes like this:

Poster A: Cotto is a better boxer than Ortiz!!!

Poster B: I think Ortiz can beat Cotto

Poster A: So your saying Cotto is garbage then.

That's the just of every debate on here. It's "your great" or "you suck" there's no in between....hahaha

[deejd]

No offense man, but you don't understand the comparisons I'm making and I just can't keep repeating myself.

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Actually Payton Manning would be a better comparison to Floyd. Payton Manning has ALL the natural abilities. He's 6'5", 230lbs and can throw the ball 70 yards standing still.

Bad comparison. I would have used Doug Flutie if you know who that is to compare to JMM.

Completely disagree. There are things that a 5'11 QB can do that a 6'5 QB may not be able to and vice versa. Ok, Flutie's not Peyton Manning, but he was a boatload better than Ryan Leaf. There goes your natural ability crutch. Cry about it to your fellow Mayweather haters.

That's not what I said at all, you need to re read what I wrote.

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There are different physical gifts one could have and my argument is that JMM really wasn't blessed with any of them. It doesn't mean he's an invalid...lol

Again, you've been arguing natural ability, not gifts.... anyway, I disagree with this as well because claiming that JMM doesn't have gifts is ridiculous.

[Light_Speed]

JMM changed his style as he got older though from his forum days...The older he got the more "fan friendly" he became...He never got talked about with the likes of his counterparts like Morales and Barrera because he didn't get into the "wars" that they got. Until later on in his career when he lost a step and changed his style to be more offensive.

And, you can't say that JMM is the best or most in anything EVER...Especially when anything JMM can do Lopez could do it better. And, JMM IQ might be high but Lopez was higher. The only thing JMM got over Finito is resume and accomplishments. JMM is an ATG he proved to me in his last fight cuz' I did have doubts about him. So I don't mean this in any disrespect but he's a poor man Finito.

Great post, I always thought Marquez was a poor man's Ricardo Lopez which is actually a hell of a compliment if you know how sick Lopez was.

I also agree with TS, Marquez can't counterpunch on the move, he needs to stop and plant his feet before throwing counters. That's one of the reasons why Floyd is a better counter puncher.

[studentofthegam]

JMM changed his style as he got older though from his forum days...The older he got the more "fan friendly" he became...He never got talked about with the likes of his counterparts like Morales and Barrera because he didn't get into the "wars" that they got. Until later on in his career when he lost a step and changed his style to be more offensive.

And, you can't say that JMM is the best or most in anything EVER...Especially when anything JMM can do Lopez could do it better. And, JMM IQ might be high but Lopez was higher. The only thing JMM got over Finito is resume and accomplishments. JMM is an ATG he proved to me in his last fight cuz' I did have doubts about him. So I don't mean this in any disrespect but he's a poor man Finito.

I think its a little insulting but I get where you're coming from. The reality is JMM could be sittng here with only two losses. He's a lot better than good. I think he's a great. And he has the best long distance uppercut. LOL

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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You do realize that you can be 6'5" and not be a great QB right? Manning was used because he is big PLUS he has natural ability. You can be like Doug Flutie and not be big or a strong arm but still be a great QB.

The problem was comparing football to boxing which was a bad idea from the get go.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I think its a little insulting but I get where you're coming from. The reality is JMM could be sittng here with only two losses. He's a lot better than good. I think he's a great. And he has the best long distance uppercut. LOL

It's not really insulting, it's like calling someone a poor mans version of Michael Jordan, Finito was that great.

[turbotime]

Floyd is just more elusive, allowing him more chancess to counter.

[deejd]

You do realize that you can be 6'5" and not be a great QB right? Manning was used because he is big PLUS he has natural ability. You can be like Doug Flutie and not be big or a strong arm but still be a great QB.

The problem was comparing football to boxing which was a bad idea from the get go.

The comparison wasn't between football and boxing, it was a comparison between the intelligent guy vs. the athletic guy.

Your stance is that Mayweather was born with his success. He didn't put in the work to become greater than the field nor was he smart enough to get there without it. But somehow, the giftless Marquez with no natural ability is more impressive.

[Konstantin]

There's no question Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez however putting a lead left hook into an argument about counter punching is kinda ******...

[Chups]

I personally don't consider Mayweather a counterpuncher. He is a defensive specialist with athletic ability to do what he wants to do. Marquez is a pure counterpuncher in his prime and still a skilled counterpuncher even today.