Why Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez

[Mr.0pal]

How many times has JMM thrown a counter while going backwards? I've never seen him do it. Floyd does it on a regualr with check hooks.



When have you seen JMM throw a lead left hook and put himself in a position to avoid counters? Floyd does it on a regular basis with his leaping left hook. He jumps in and moves off at an angle to avoid counters.



When has JMM ever done a pull counter (which involves countering and then avoiding your opponents counter)? I'll be schocked if you find ONE moment where he does it. Floyd has done it enough times that you can make highlight videos on it (as has been done). How often does JMM simply hit and avoid getting countered all in one movement?




All it took was upper body movement, head movement, and footwork for Floyd to avoid being countered by JMM. If you're such a great counter puncher then there is nothing that a fighter can do to avoid your counter punches. Floyd was throwing lead punches all night and avoiding JMM's counters all night. JMM was throwing lead punches and getting countered all night.

Your only argument is that JMM throws more punches when he counters (which is a decision, not a skill). What good are those counters if you're not landing against certain styles? There is no type of style that Floyd can't counter. There IS certain styles that JMM can't counter as he himself said in the post fight interview that he had a hard time connecting on Floyd.

JMM also gets hit while he's trying to counter. Your counterpunching greatness is deminished in my book if your counter punching is getting countered, and if you're missing those counters altogether. Floyd on the other hand, avoids being countered after he counters and does not face a style that he can't counter.

You can find countering skills that Floyd has that JMM does not have, but you can't find any that JMM has that Floyd doesn't have. Yet he's a better counter puncher?

I'm not a JMM hater... I love watching him fight.... but I know better than to call him a superior counter puncher to Floyd.

[Kagami Taiga]

by the definition of counterpunching, floyd would definitely have to be better than jmm. jmm gets hit a lot more, i guess he gets hit more to take more, but its not as effective as what floyd does, and thats why when they fought floyd won as the better counterpuncher.

[studentofthegam]

How many times has JMM thrown a counter while going backwards? I've never seen him do it. Floyd does it on a regualr with check hooks.



When have you seen JMM throw a lead left hook and put himself in a position to avoid counters. Floyd does it on a regular basis with his leaping left hook. He jumps in and moves off at an angle to avoid counters.



When has JMM ever done a pull counter (which involves countering and then avoiding your opponents counter)? I'll be schocked if you find ONE moment where he does it. Floyd has done it enough times that you can make highlight videos on it (as has been done). How often does JMM simply hit and avoid getting countered all in one movement?




All it took was upper body movement, head movement, and footwork for Floyd to avoid being countered by JMM. If you're such a great counter puncher then there is nothing that a fighter can do to avoid your counter punches. Floyd was throwing lead punches all night and avoiding JMM's counters all night. JMM was throwing lead punches and getting countered all night.

Your only argument is that JMM throws more punches when he counters (which is a decision, not a skill). What good are those counters if you're not landing against certain styles? There is no type of style that Floyd can't counter. There IS certain styles that JMM can't counter as he himself said in the post fight interview that he had a hard time connecting on Floyd.

JMM also gets hit while he's trying to counter. Your counterpunching greatness is deminished in my book if your counter punching is getting countered, and if you're missing those counters altogether. Floyd on the other hand, avoids being countered after he counters and does not face a style that he can't counter.

You can find countering skills that Floyd has that JMM does not have, but you can't find any that JMM has that Floyd doesn't have. Yet he's a better counter puncher?

I'm not a JMM hater... I love watching him fight.... but I know better than to call him a superior counter puncher to Floyd.

I love watching both fight but I found it strange that people would say JMM was a better CPer considering we have video of them head to head. But how telling could that be in 2012 with all these computer tricks. LOL

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

[Mr.0pal]

by the definition of counterpunching, floyd would definitely have to be better than jmm. jmm gets hit a lot more, i guess he gets hit more to take more, but its not as effective as what floyd does, and thats why when they fought floyd won as the better counterpuncher.

Not only that but JMM would be countered after throwing single punches. It wasn't always the result of over commitment. And if you're unable to counter this guy over 12 rounds... I don't see how he is superior.

[-KPB-]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

I kinda take issue with this statement because he seems to be a sucka for getting dropped from left hooks..............

[Mr.0pal]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

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[kadyo's]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

Very well said, cuauh.

[Gordon Gekko]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather have a far better ring IQ than Marquez. Neither one of them would try to brawl with a guy like Juan Diaz and go life and death with him.

If Mayweather was Mexican, you'd be singing a much different tune.

[Kagami Taiga]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

there are two more intelligent boxers in boxing rite now. floyd and bhop. ive watched all of jmm's career. hes not as brilliant at times as u think, there are plenty of times where he gets drawn into other ppl's fights. plenty. i suggest u go watch the chris john fight and the diaz fight.