Why Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez

[The Big Dunn]

Speed, timing, balance and reach is why he's a better counterpuncher.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Different styles of counter punching. JMM can multitask better than floyd. Floyd is best at waiting to counter, but if you study his career, watch his early bouts when he use to sit down and go to war with opponents (people think he was always a pot shotter) you'd realize he got hit a LOT during exchanges.

JMM is a better counter puncher when engaging than floyd is. Floyds biggest gift in this discussion is his defense, THAT is hitting and not being hit. COUNTERING is making your opponent pay for missing, or putting punches out there.

JMM isn't near as patient or defensive

This is also a great point. JMM has said on many occasions that he wants to please the crowd. In his fight with Diaz for example, he could have sat back and countered all night long but he chose to go to war because it's what the public wanted to see from two Mexican fighters.

Floyd has never gotten into a war and has always been defense first. Not knocking him just stating facts.

[deejd]

Actually Payton Manning would be a better comparison to Floyd. Payton Manning has ALL the natural abilities. He's 6'5", 230lbs and can throw the ball 70 yards standing still.

Bad comparison. I would have used Doug Flutie if you know who that is to compare to JMM.

Oh okay... so strawweights, flyweights, bantamweights, ect. don't have natural ability... Got ya.

[-KPB-]

Actually Payton Manning would be a better comparison to Floyd. Payton Manning has ALL the natural abilities. He's 6'5", 230lbs and can throw the ball 70 yards standing still.

Bad comparison. I would have used Doug Flutie if you know who that is to compare to JMM.

Im notr sure why that is a bad comparison.......are you then saying that John Ruiz is physical gifted because he he was 6'3" and 200 and whatever pounds....are you saying Gary Russell Jr isnt physicallly gifted because he is 5'4" and 126 pounds.....and not sure what you are saying here....

[deejd]

Im notr sure why that is a bad comparison.......are you then saying that John Ruiz is physical gifted because he he was 6'3" and 200 and whatever pounds....are you saying Gary Russell Jr isnt physicallly gifted because he is 5'4" and 126 pounds.....and not sure what you are saying here....

Don't you get it KPB? If you're small then you don't have ability.

[studentofthegam]

There's not doubt about that but it's a learned talent. Mayweather didn't learn to be fast, he was born with it.

Its simple. There are many athletic guys who could never make it in boxing. There are also athletic boxers that will never get their timing down enough to hold a torch to JMM no matter how many hours they put in in the gym working on it. Also Floyd is a gym rat. He works on it constantly. A fighter that I would peg as an over achiever is Froch. Then maybe I could agree with your point of view.

[COACH WEBB]

how did he not use his huge size advantage? infact it's pretty difficult to avoid using ones size advantage

He simply boxed him like he boxed Ortiz or Oscar. The fights looks virtually the same in the way Floyd approached them. He didn't do anything particularly different than when he fought guys that were "his size".

you dont think a bigger mns punches have a bigger affect on smaller fighters?
or are you one of the twats who thinks size doesn't mean sht unless the bigger guy is jumping ontop of the smaller man? im sure tommy hearns knocking out duran had nothing to do with the huge size advantage, nevermind the reach, the heavier bones and the leverage on a much shorter person, im sure hearns size was never a factor in any of his fights

Why name call, I asked you a simple question. And LOL at the comparison. Hitman knocked out guys "his size" all the time, why is that?. And since you want to talk so much about the size disparity and how disadvantaged Marquez was (which in your opinion is why he didn't compete well, even though Floyd had been off for two years), then your boy Manny has NO chance at all and he shouldn't fight that giant, Mayweather. Manny is too little.

[Gordon Gekko]

This is also a great point. JMM has said on many occasions that he wants to please the crowd. In his fight with Diaz for example, he could have sat back and countered all night long but he chose to go to war because it's what the public wanted to see from two Mexican fighters.

Floyd has never gotten into a war and has always been defense first. Not knocking him just stating facts.

And that makes JMM more intelligent than Floyd, right?

Doing what the crowd wants rather than sticking to a good gameplan = intelligent boxing. Gotcha.

[deejd]

George Muresan has natural ability. Jordan, well... he wasn't given the gift.

[SplitSecond]

He simply boxed him like he boxed Ortiz or Oscar. The fights looks virtually the same in the way Floyd approached them. He didn't do anything particularly different than when he fought guys that were "his size".

ok then.......and how does this show he his size wasn't a factor?

Why name call, I asked you a simple question. And LOL at the comparison. And since you want to talk so much about the size disparity and how disadvantaged Marquez was (which in your opinion is why he didn't compete well, even though Floyd had been off for two years), then your boy Manny has NO chance at all and he shouldn't fight that giant, Mayweather. Manny is too little.

i never said marquez didn't win because of the size, my point was he couldn't counter floyd alot of times because of floyds size
but even if they were the same size floyd would more than likely play the mouse and cat game and force marquez to be the aggressor