Why Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez

[Gordon Gekko]

Very well said, cuauh.

Not really. The whole post made my **** soft like the ugly ***** with the granny panties in your avi.

[Mr.0pal]

I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

This opinion/perspective does not make him a superior counter puncher to Floyd. Regardless if you call it skill or abilities... Floyd can do things that JMM can't and there is nothing that JMM can do that Floyd can't.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch.
Re-check his ko%

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

Again... how does this OPINION equate to being a superior counter puncher? You're simply explaining why you like JMM more as a fighter in general.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

So basically you have no intelligent answer to what I said....

First off, I think Mayweather is the best fighter in the world and has been for a long time. I have been on record in saying he beats everyone including Pac for over 3 years now.

Hopkins has a great IQ but he's also more physically talented than JMM. Hopkins had 1 punch ko power when he was coming up, JMM never had that.

Mayweather is the best boxer I have seen in my lifetime and I have probably been watching boxing much longer than most of you, so it's not about being Mexican or supporting JMM.

As a matter of fact when there were the 3 great fighters in Barrera, Marquez and Morales, I always put JMM last, not anymore.

He's risen to the top of that list because of his work ethic and intelligence. He's a "sucker" for a left hook because he's not gifted with speed and makes mistakes from time to time but I think this last fight with Pac was his master piece.

He was so technically solid and never made any mistake that he never got caught hard enough to get into trouble. He was so focused on making sure he fought a perfect fight and nearly did.

I'm not a fan boy, I call it like it is.

[studentofthegam]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

Timing is talent. Look at Lenny Bruce, Albert Pujols, and Peyton Manning.

[Mr. Philadel]

Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather have a far better ring IQ than Marquez. Neither one of them would try to brawl with a guy like Juan Diaz and go life and death with him. If Mayweather was Mexican, you'd be singing a much different tune.

word!!!!!

[COACH WEBB]

You are making the typical mistake of the boxing fan that is confusing natural talent with boxing ability.

The biggest difference between JMM and Mayweather is that Mayweather is a superior athlete. I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

I'm not saying JMM doesn't have natural ability but when you compare him to others of his time, he doesn't have anything as far as natural ability that stands out.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch. Instead he's very average all the way around yet has continued to be at the top of the boxing world late into his 30's and seems to have gotten better as time has gone on.

That is EXTREMELY rare in the world of boxing because make no mistake about it, this is a young mans game.

Mayweather on the other hand has INCREDIBLE natural talents. His speed is amazing, reactions, reflexes and even power when he was fighting at the lower weight classes.

Mayweather is also a great boxer/counter puncher but he has the advantage of being able to do things that JMM cannot because of physical ability.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

I couldn't disagree with you more, my man. And Floyd can do things that Marquez can't do because....he's better than Marquez (rather you want to mention boxing ability/skills, natural talent or whatever). I think it's really that cut and dry.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I would say that JMM is a more impressive boxer/counter puncher because he's made a career in skill and skill alone.

This opinion/perspective does not make him a superior counter puncher to Floyd. Regardless if you call it skill or abilities... Floyd can do things that JMM can't and there is nothing that JMM can do that Floyd can't.

I never said he was the better fighter, I'm merely stating the fact that he's done more with less. To me that's more impressive.

He's not particularly fast, quick, strong or has a powerful punch.

Re-check his ko%

He's never had 1 punch KO power, they have always come from acumulation of punches. Not that he hits soft, he just wasn't gifted with anything in particular that makes you say wow.

For me, I'm more impressed with JMM personally because he's done much more with much less.

Again... how does this OPINION equate to being a superior counter puncher? You're simply explaining why you like JMM more as a fighter in general.

Because being more naturally gifted allows you to achieve greatness easier. Mayweather is great because he is a great boxer/counter puncher and he works incredibly hard but he's also naturally gifted in ways JMM can only dream of. when someone like JMM achieves the same status, it's more impressive because it comes at a much higher price. I don't understand why you can't understand that.


There also might not be or ever has been a more intelligent boxer than JMM.

It's easy to make smiley faces and laugh when you have nothing to say. I can see what type of person I'm talking to.....

[-KPB-]

So basically you have no intelligent answer to what I said....

First off, I think Mayweather is the best fighter in the world and has been for a long time. I have been on record in saying he beats everyone including Pac for over 3 years now.

Hopkins has a great IQ but he's also more physically talented than JMM. Hopkins had 1 punch ko power when he was coming up, JMM never had that.

Mayweather is the best boxer I have seen in my lifetime and I have probably been watching boxing much longer than most of you, so it's not about being Mexican or supporting JMM.

As a matter of fact when there were the 3 great fighters in Barrera, Marquez and Morales, I always put JMM last, not anymore.

He's risen to the top of that list because of his work ethic and intelligence. He's a "sucker" for a left hook because he's not gifted with speed and makes mistakes from time to time but I think this last fight with Pac was his master piece.

He was so technically solid and never made any mistake that he never got caught hard enough to get into trouble. He was so focused on making sure he fought a perfect fight and nearly did.

I'm not a fan boy, I call it like it is.

The problem I had with your original post is the fact that you claimed that you're not as impressed with Floyd Jr becasue he has extreme physical gifts......but then went on to say that JMM is a better counterpuncherand one of the smartest boxer you have seen. Hasnt JMM intelligence helped him just as much as Floyds physical gifts.......

[Mr.0pal]

So basically you have no intelligent answer to what I said....

First off, I think Mayweather is the best fighter in the world and has been for a long time. I have been on record in saying he beats everyone including Pac for over 3 years now.

Hopkins has a great IQ but he's also more physically talented than JMM. Hopkins had 1 punch ko power when he was coming up, JMM never had that.

Mayweather is the best boxer I have seen in my lifetime and I have probably been watching boxing much longer than most of you, so it's not about being Mexican or supporting JMM.

As a matter of fact when there were the 3 great fighters in Barrera, Marquez and Morales, I always put JMM last, not anymore.

He's risen to the top of that list because of his work ethic and intelligence. He's a "sucker" for a left hook because he's not gifted with speed and makes mistakes from time to time but I think this last fight with Pac was his master piece.

He was so technically solid and never made any mistake that he never got caught hard enough to get into trouble. He was so focused on making sure he fought a perfect fight and nearly did.

I'm not a fan boy, I call it like it is.

Let me know when you're explaining how JMM is a better counter puncher. In case you didn't notice, that's the topic of the thread. If you want to go on about how much you like JMM in general as a fighter then do your thing but don't expect me to engage with you because it has nothing to do with the topic.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Timing is talent. Look at Lenny Bruce, Albert Pujols, and Peyton Manning.

There's not doubt about that but it's a learned talent. Mayweather didn't learn to be fast, he was born with it.

I couldn't disagree with you more, my man. And Floyd can do things that Marquez can't do because....he's better than Marquez (rather you want to mention boxing ability/skills, natural talent or whatever). I think it's really that cut and dry.

For the billionth time, I never said JMM was better than Floyd. Floyd is the best fighter I have seen in my lifetime (I can repeat it 1000 times if it makes you floyd fans feel better about yourselves)

I'm just making the point that JMM has climbed a much steeper hill to get to where he is because he DOESN'T have the natural ability Floyd has.

A fighter like Floyd comes once in a generation if we are lucky. A fighter like JMm comes the same way but it's more impressive IMO because he's done it despite his lack of physical ability.